COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Scottyboi said:
Lockdown is pointless if you don't use it as a chance to implement a proper functioning track and trace system, we sacrificed our economy and gave ourselves plenty of time to get it right and blew it. When Oldham and Leicester had cases still they should have gone authoritarian and stopped people leaving.

We do another lockdown lose more jobs save lives and after a couple of months end up back in the same position as we fail with our track and trace.

Government should be dragged through the streets for spunking so much money and not getting a grip of the nation. Sending out some dandruff ridden scruffy **** to tell you new rules is a waste of time. Who takes that mug seriously?
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This mug who said we have a world class test and trace system? The lot of them are a complete bunch of fuckwits and not fit to run a brothel let alone a country
 
Here are the pillar 1 & 2 tests for last few days v cases found:

9 Oct cases 13, 264 from 270, 921 tests

10 Oct cases 15, 166 from 277, 261 tests

11 Oct cases 12, 872 from 256, 190 tests

12 Oct cases 13, 972 from 237, 638 tests

13 Oct cases 17, 234 from 199, 211 tests

Today cases 19, 724 from 249, 863 tests

Test numbers seem to have in general fallen in recent days as case numbers found have seemed to level off a bit - though 50,000 more tests today to add 2500 cases is better news. Overall though a 50% rise in days like we are seeing in many other indicators.
 
Nellies left peg said:
This mug who said we have a world class test and trace system? The lot of them are a complete bunch of fuckwits and not fit to run a brothel let alone a country
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And whose father takes lockdown rules as a fucking joke. These fuckers are a total disgrace and can't expect people to follow guidelines. Although I was shielding from March till July on ssp I will not hesitate to lockdown again as soon as I feel the need. My wife means more to me than any money and luckily we live in a reasonably low risk area
 
roubaixtuesday said:
You may well be right.

Unfortunately though, the very clear lesson from the first wave, and a fundamental implication of exponential growth, is that the more you delay, the harder and longer duration of measures you will need.

This lesson has not been learned, we have weak leaders in denial over the issue we face.
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Absolutely spot on. The increasing infections/hospitalisation/death curves rise sharply, and then the decay curve - from whatever peak - is long and shallow.

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It takes twice as long for the numbers to decline as it does for them to rise. But here's the critical thing: the decay is a standard exponential decay curve. i.e. the time it takes to get back down to any arbitrarily acceptable level, is directly related to how high the peak is in the first place. If you want a short lock down or short period of invasive restrictions, you need a lower peak. And to get a lower peak, you need to act quickly and with decisive action. What you do NOT do is wait until things are getting out of hand, and then introduce luke warm measures, weeks too late.

They fucked this right up the first time (and probably cost 20,000 unnecessary deaths with their dithering) and now are doing exactly the same thing again.
 
I am not making light of anything but for context, here’s the graph of Covid deaths in England. The orange lines are the numbers announced on various dates, whereas the yellow line is the rolling average, which is a better indicator of what’s going on.
Several times the numbers announced were over 1000 but we never actually had a thousand deaths in a day. Similarly, the best way to look at what is really happening with cases is to go back 5 days and report those numbers by specimen date, because they’ll mostly be correct.


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England hospital patients up today by 241 to 4146 Most since 9 June.

And ventilators up 27 in the day to 468. Most since 6 June.
 
Healdplace said:
England hospital patients up today by 241 to 4146 Most since 9 June.

And ventilators up 27 in the day to 468. Most since 6 June.
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Just a point on the ventilator numbers: From the website: “The England figures are the numbers of COVID-19 patients in beds which are capable of delivering mechanical ventilation and includes Nightingale hospitals“.

So Boris could have been in one of those beds but wasn’t ever put on one.
 
England regions in hospital

London patients up 373 to 389 (wk ago was 336) Vent up 66 to 77 (wk ago was 59)

Midlands patients up 640 to 685 (wk ago was 484) Vent up 90 to 96 (wk ago was 77)

NE/Yorks patients up 1023 to 1057 (wk ago was 772) Vent up 104 to 116 (wk ago was 94)

North West patients up 1399 to 1501 (wk ago was 1030) Vent DOWN 140 to 135 (wk ago was 115)

North West biggest patient rise. London only slowly. Ventilators in NW have actually only risen by 2 in the past 5 days but the high number of deaths (far above any other region) will be a big factor in that.

Still it is a piece of good(ish) news.
 
UK hospital total patients 5225 - was 3694 a week ago. At the peak of the pandemic in April the number was about 19,500. So we are more than a quarter of the way back to there now.


UK ventilator numbers 559 - was 442 a week ago. So a slower increase here. There were about 3200 at the peak in April so we are not at a quarter of that number now. Partly as these lag the patient increases by a short period and partly as we may well be better at preventing people needing to be on them thanks to the new drugs and treatments developed over the past 6 months.

this too will factor into what look likely to be lower death numbers. Exactly how many fewer only time will tell.
 
Regional scoreboard looks fairly good for the North West despite the case rise.

London rise to 1722 - up from 1441 - and the highest ever here apart from the day of that huge cases add on a week or so back when they found loads not added due to a 'computer error'.

Midlands big rise to 1804 - up from 1086,

North East a rise to 1228 - from 1045 and most in a week here.

Yorkshire - a rise to 2717 - from 2230 and the highest other than the big add on day.

Whereas North West bucks the trend and FALLS from 4510 to 3732.
 
twosips said:
"why doesn't a country full of dickheads, lead by dickheads, stop acting like dickheads?" is basically what you've asked.

The answer? Cos that's what dickheads do. Act like dickheads. We had one shot at compliance, and we got an awful lot of it early on - we genuinely did! Everywhere was absolutely dead. But of course we wasted that time. The government fucked up the app, fucked up track and tracing, fucked up public trust with the cummings stuff and constant lies, fucked up timings of messages (go to work! go to uni! buy out to help out! but its all your fault now its rising!) and so on and so on. It isn't going to get any better. Large parts of the country have lost all faith, our government hasn't got a clue of how to win it back as they don't know how to connect with people on a human level.

There is *zero* chance we're ever getting control of this. We're not New Zealand. We're not Sweden. We're not Germany. Countries where society is a lot more reasonable, a lot more trusting and a lot more decent. We're a little arrogant shit hole of a country with truly awful, incompetent leaders who have no idea how to actually lead or gather public trust. There are plenty of great people here, but we're outnumbered. I've accepted that all I can personally do now is just hope for the best, be safe and hope that my loved ones are still all alive after the winter. It's a shite way to live, but I don't see any alternative.
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GoatersLeftShin said:
Here's two examples from ITV and the FT:

www.itv.com

Inside the hospital where Covid intensive care unit is once again full | ITV News

In the last week, coronavirus admissions to hospitals have risen by 40%. ITV News has been to one hospital where the Covid intensive care ward is already full. | ITV National News
www.itv.com www.itv.com

www.ft.com

Liverpool’s intensive care beds 95% full as coronavirus cases surge

City with highest number of infections in England struggles to cope
www.ft.com www.ft.com

There was an interview on Radio 4 with a Councillor from Blackpool this morning who confirmed this.

Plus we are getting ready to re-open the Nightingale hospitals.
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Re-open? We never used them last time!!
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Just a point on the ventilator numbers: From the website: “The England figures are the numbers of COVID-19 patients in beds which are capable of delivering mechanical ventilation and includes Nightingale hospitals“.

So Boris could have been in one of those beds but wasn’t ever put on one.
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Ventilator number is those on mechanical ventilation, inpatients are just that , in hospital
 
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