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Churchlawtonblue said:
the risk to children from this virus is tiny. but adults who refuse the vaccine should be made to sign a form declaring they have sufficient health care insurance should they get covid. I dont see why i as a tax payer should be paying for healthcare for someone who could have avoided catching this virus just because they hadsome way out views and didnt want the vaccine. So not compulsory but you pay for your helthcare if you catch it. Might make people a little less selfish.
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What about smokers, drinkers, rock climbers etc?
 
Bellamy's Caddy said:
Sorry I was clumsy in my post. My concern is more that the long term side effects (hopefully there won't be any) won't become apparent for a long time.
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Sure. It's interesting that we instinctively feel that a vaccine has more potential long term side effects than the disease itself. I don't think there's any good rationale for that - indeed it could easily be the case that even for low risk groups like young children, the chance of long term side effects from the bug far outweighs that from the vaccine.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Better than most other countries who still aren't there after 7 months then.

I am all for knocking the government when they fuck up, but not just knocking them for giggles. The truth is from a very poor start, we got our act together rather better than pretty much everyone else:

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Certainly tells a story about the start.

It would be more meaningful if presented (1) as a proportion of population (ours is 10x Denmarks) and (2) as a proportion of case numbers (Germany is currently 4x less than ours)

Then you'd see a rather different story.

And, of course, the criticism is not just over the test part, but actually moreso over the track and trace element.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Sure. It's interesting that we instinctively feel that a vaccine has more potential long term side effects than the disease itself. I don't think there's any good rationale for that - indeed it could easily be the case that even for low risk groups like young children, the chance of long term side effects from the bug far outweighs that from the vaccine.
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That's a fair point and something I will need to consider. In truth I probably haven't factored in the long term health implications of Covid, I guess as we're learning more about it as it progresses. But yeah, I guess that's the crux of the issue. A lot to mull over, but I sincerely hope the vaccine is available soon and the choice is there to be made!
 
Makes perfect sense... Tier 3 for the area where in the majority, new cases are going down day by day anyway, makes the figures look like the lockdown is what helped though, fucking joke, why not just do it earlier in the week, the decision was clearly already made by the fuckwits. Least nobody will ever vote Tory again now in the North so every cloud.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Given the likely tiny fatality rate in the under 65's it should be encouraged in all people over that age, anyone considered vulnerable and 'key workers', if they want it, first and then anyone else who wants it further down the line.
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My take on this too.
This tiny ball of viral matter has exposed sooooo much in this world.

The more reserved end (I guess) are concerned that even though these are going through rigorous phase 3 trials many believe (whether mistakingly or not) that trials usually last way longer...years maybe. Whether the 'years' thing is the time it takes to develop a vaccine ready for trialling or the phase 3 trial period I've no idea.

I'm all for for a national vaccine programme and I'm convinced it will be the only thing that will return the confidence....and sooner rather than later given the feeling out there now.
Not sure if I'd get one in saying all that. Fit at 47 - I get offered the flu vaccine (I have mild asthma)...probably just continue taking my vits and running/gym as my way of life.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Certainly tells a story about the start.

It would be more meaningful if presented (1) as a proportion of population (ours is 10x Denmarks) and (2) as a proportion of case numbers (Germany is currently 4x less than ours)

Then you'd see a rather different story.

And, of course, the criticism is not just over the test part, but actually moreso over the track and trace element.
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I'm not defending the government's every action - far from it. It's just there seems to be an ever increasing political agenda on this thread, critical of the government no matter what it does. This was a prime example. From a very poor base, we've ramped up testing better than any other country, and yet the post to which I replied simply wanted to criticise. Even your comment above seems to be through gritted teeth. We have very similar populations to France, Germany and Italy and now have more testing capacity than any of them. In this respect, a "well done" is in order, not a criticism.
 
artfuldodger said:
Is it mainly Blackpool that’s causing the rise in numbers?
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i think Burnley, Preston and Lancaster Uni are currently driving things but i will have a look at the rates later today and put up a graph. i believe Blackpool is stabilising

actually i will look into it as it was my impression numbers in general are plateauing
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Sure. It's interesting that we instinctively feel that a vaccine has more potential long term side effects than the disease itself. I don't think there's any good rationale for that - indeed it could easily be the case that even for low risk groups like young children, the chance of long term side effects from the bug far outweighs that from the vaccine.
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Be interesting to find out the general side effects (say per 100,000 or 1 million) compared with taking your chances of succumbing to the virus/disease itself (which will be different depending on the virus/disease).

It's often not a huge leap for some of those 'concerned' about the side effects to fall into the 'truth drug/DNA chips' territory.
 
cleavers said:
Not if you look at hospitalisations, and that was what should have been being monitored elsewhere, and wasn't by the government.
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It's only when the infections spill over into the 40-65 age group that ICU admissions start to rise. Then once that gets a hold it then spills over into the 65+ age group and then hospital and ICU admissions start to zoom.
Its common sense really as each age group interacts with its parent age group
I have to say it's rediculous that SE Lonion has gone into tier 2.
 
shemnel said:
i think Burnley, Preston and Lancaster Uni are currently driving things but i will have a look at the rates later today and put up a graph. i believe Blackpool is stabilising

actually i will look into it as it was my impression numbers in general are plateauing
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Looks they’ve got a better deal than Liverpool. And gyms can stay open
 
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