COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[mosssideblue]

But its been tested to some standards, which is more than can be said for your Donald duck should you get landed with Covid. Just playing devil's advocate here, but in all likelihood I'd probably take my chances with the vaccine.

Confidence giving?

 

[artfuldodger]

is that right? do you know where the finer detail is being published? i suppose it will come out later

From LancsLive website

Lancashire is moving into a Tier 3 local lockdown after securing a £42million funding deal to help vulnerable people and businesses that will be forced to close.
The entire county of Lancashire was put into the 'high' alert category (Tier 2) on Monday (October 12) by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
This was despite a strong push from Number 10 to put, at the very least, some parts of the county into Tier 3.
It has taken until Friday morning (October 16) for a deal to be struck between Downing Street and leaders in Lancashire for Tier 3 lockdown measures to be agreed.
The deal will mean non-food pubs and bars close their doors.
But gyms and leisure centres will stay open; a move that differs to rules in Merseyside.
In return for entering Tier 3, Lancashire will now get £42million out of the £58.2million it was seeking as a package of financial support for businesses, the care sector and schools.
Initially, Government was only willing to provide £12million for Lancashire.
Boris Johnson briefly addressed the final meeting, LancsLive understands, but left without taking questions.
It comes after a meeting of the Joint Biosecurity Centre’s Gold Command on Wednesday evening (October 14) signed off moving Lancashire and Greater Manchester to Tier 3. At that point in time, Tier 2 lockdown measures had been in place for less than 24 hours.
On Thursday (October 15), Health Secretary Matt Hancock hinted a decision to move the county to Tier 3 had been delayed rather than scrapped, as discussions with Lancashire leaders continue in relation to an improve support package for the county.
County leaders had "promised to fight for the best deal" to provide financial support for businesses and residents.
Lancashire wanted to get its hands on £50million of funding to help in a Tier 3 lockdown, with the money left over from business grants issued to Lancashire’s councils during the national lockdown earlier this year.
County leaders also wanted a financial package including £5.2million for every month spent under Tier 3 to support the care and education sector; £2million for enforcement of the restrictions; and £1million for a public information campaign.

 

[cleavers]

Not sure what you are talking about re hospitalisations in London. They are at around 25% of the NW

They may be, but they are going up, and my point was that that should be the trigger, not deaths, and it should have been everywhere. It seems the government only reacted when deaths started climbing, and they were telling everyone to get back to work when hospitalisations had begun to rise again.

 

[domalino]

But its been tested to some standards, which is more than can be said for your Donald duck should you get landed with Covid. Just playing devil's advocate here, but in all likelihood I'd probably take my chances with the vaccine.

The vaccine fear really shows a failure of education.

Vaccines are not massively complex things - if they were, the first ones wouldn't have been invented in the 1700's - and the "newness" of this vaccine is more akin to putting a different engine in a car that's been in production for 20 years with a huge safety track record rather than designing and building a new car from the ground up.

The problem is people haven't been taught about them in school and so you get conspiracy theories and fears that have no basis in fact.

The biggest risk with a vaccine is going to be getting a dose of live virus due to a manufacturing error and could happen with something that's been approved and tested for decades.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Correct, and the Government will have a difficult job convincing everyone it is safe

I'm not fucking taking it till the next edition is available. I've had it which has primed my immune system to be able to fight the next strain.
BTW, I still have antibodies BTW as I paid for an antigen test a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Ancoats blue]

Liverpool Tier 3 , Lancashire Tier 3 .... no, it's not a score draw on tthe football pools , but it signifies that it's now only a matter of time before the Tier 2 door shuts firmly in the face of Andy Burnham and Manchester.

Where's this extra funding coming from to satisfy Lancashire in their newly 'agreed deal' ?

It was only yesterday, when Mr Burnham asked for extra finacial help, that this u-turning Government swore blind they had spent up, and didn't have pot left to piss in!

One thing's for sure ..if Boris's nose continues growing at this alarming rate it'll be poking Matt Hancock in the eye when he's standing next to him on the podiums!

Mind you it looks like he's done it lookin at these pics!

 

[True_Blue69]

I'm not fucking taking it till the next edition is available. I've had it which has primed my immune system to be able to fight the next strain.
BTW, I still have antibodies BTW as I paid for an antigen test a couple of weeks ago.

No point in taking it at all if you still have antibodies. Hopefully some of the people testing it have also had it and have antibodies to see how they react. Like people keep saying it's a new virus anything could happen.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Confidence giving?

More so than risk associated with getting the virus, just my opinion.

 

[domalino]

I'm not fucking taking it till the next edition is available. I've had it which has primed my immune system to be able to fight the next strain.
BTW, I still have antibodies BTW as I paid for an antigen test a couple of weeks ago.

If you've got the anitbodies it would be a waste giving you the vaccine anyway. It's not going to be in bountiful supply straight away.

They'll go for people over retirement age, then people with existing conditions, then children, then everyone else.

Once the over 65s are done, we can pretty much relax, 75% of deaths are from that age bracket, they're the ones who have the majority of the long hospital stays that take up so many resources.

So get them safe and we have the resources to deal with a rarely fatal virus in the remaining age brackets while everyone else gets vaccinated over 3-6 months.

 

[willipp]

From LancsLive website

Lancashire is moving into a Tier 3 local lockdown after securing a £42million funding deal to help vulnerable people and businesses that will be forced to close.
The entire county of Lancashire was put into the 'high' alert category (Tier 2) on Monday (October 12) by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
This was despite a strong push from Number 10 to put, at the very least, some parts of the county into Tier 3.
It has taken until Friday morning (October 16) for a deal to be struck between Downing Street and leaders in Lancashire for Tier 3 lockdown measures to be agreed.
The deal will mean non-food pubs and bars close their doors.
But gyms and leisure centres will stay open; a move that differs to rules in Merseyside.
In return for entering Tier 3, Lancashire will now get £42million out of the £58.2million it was seeking as a package of financial support for businesses, the care sector and schools.
Initially, Government was only willing to provide £12million for Lancashire.
Boris Johnson briefly addressed the final meeting, LancsLive understands, but left without taking questions.
It comes after a meeting of the Joint Biosecurity Centre’s Gold Command on Wednesday evening (October 14) signed off moving Lancashire and Greater Manchester to Tier 3. At that point in time, Tier 2 lockdown measures had been in place for less than 24 hours.
On Thursday (October 15), Health Secretary Matt Hancock hinted a decision to move the county to Tier 3 had been delayed rather than scrapped, as discussions with Lancashire leaders continue in relation to an improve support package for the county.
County leaders had "promised to fight for the best deal" to provide financial support for businesses and residents.
Lancashire wanted to get its hands on £50million of funding to help in a Tier 3 lockdown, with the money left over from business grants issued to Lancashire’s councils during the national lockdown earlier this year.
County leaders also wanted a financial package including £5.2million for every month spent under Tier 3 to support the care and education sector; £2million for enforcement of the restrictions; and £1million for a public information campaign.

So glad leisure centres are staying open which means my lad can keep his swimming up which is huge for him.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Give over. A vaccine that has been rushed to the table and not tested as much as normal

Full phase 3 safety and efficacy trials are being run

 

[artfuldodger]

Gyms and leisure centers could in Liverpool when you read the detail, that was left to the local authority to decide and their decided to close them. Absolutely shocking decision and I can see why gyms in Liverpool are going mad.

So why is the mayor moaning about it? Was it not his call?

Mayor Joe Anderson questions Lancashire gyms disparity​

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said the Liverpool City Region has demanded immediate clarification on why Lancashire gyms are allowed to stay open and Liverpools close.

He describes the "inconsistent mess we now have Tier 3 A and Tier 3 B."

Are gym users in Lancashire more safer than those in Liverpool Region?

He calls it a Covid-19 shambles.

 

[mosssideblue]

The vaccine fear really shows a failure of education.

Vaccines are not massively complex things - if they were, the first ones wouldn't have been invented in the 1700's - and the "newness" of this vaccine is more akin to putting a different engine in a car that's been in production for 20 years with a huge safety track record rather than designing and building a new car from the ground up.

The problem is people haven't been taught about them in school and so you get conspiracy theories and fears that have no basis in fact.

The biggest risk with a vaccine is going to be getting a dose of live virus due to a manufacturing error and could happen with something that's been approved and tested for decades.

You may or may not be right and I am not educated in vaccine manufacture and administration to challenge (but I assume you are). For me, the Gov has made a rod for its own back in obtaining public trust, hence a vaccine being rushed through sends alarm bells ringing for me anyway.

 

[mosssideblue]

Full phase 3 safety and efficacy trials are being run

Fingers crossed it comes out successful but forgive me if I am not seen at the front of the queue

 

[artfuldodger]

Anyone any idea when the tier3 Lancashire lockdown will start as supposed to be going to ribby hall this weekend, might not bother if I can't have a few pints watching the City

The UK government has confirmed that Lancashire is to move into the top tier of restrictions from 00.01 on Saturday 17 October.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I'm not fucking taking it till the next edition is available

This is pretty funny. There are many vaccines under development. They *all* have very similar trials to judge safety and efficacy.

Let's assume the "Oxford" vaccine - first in the queue is successful and rolled out. You're not taking that one. Too risky.

Next up is Moderna. Let's assume that's successful too.

So, you're now going to take the Moderna vaccine. Even though it has the same safety studies as Oxford, but definitely safer, right?

Now, what if I tell you that the Moderna vaccine is an entirely new concept, never before commercialised. You still think it's safer?

 

[cleavers]

It dropped to 1.2 (that's flattening compared to the 1.8/1.9 beforehand with social distancing and hand washing).
it took 2 whole months to fall significantly back then as well.

Lockdown officially started on March 16th (600 new cases), but it was a week later on the 23rd that the PM told everyone to stay at home, when there were around 2000 new cases. It was over 2 weeks before new cases flattened at around 4500, and around May 1st before numbers started to properly decline.

 

[Cityfan]

If anyone's interested in where the vaccines sit amongst the current understanding of the Covid immune response this is a summary of current thinking but a bit technical in parts.

DEFINE_ME

 

[Gray]

So why is the mayor moaning about it? Was it not his call?

Mayor Joe Anderson questions Lancashire gyms disparity​

Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said the Liverpool City Region has demanded immediate clarification on why Lancashire gyms are allowed to stay open and Liverpools close.

He describes the "inconsistent mess we now have Tier 3 A and Tier 3 B."

Are gym users in Lancashire more safer than those in Liverpool Region?

He calls it a Covid-19 shambles.

It’s Sterling’s fault!

 

[cleavers]

No point in taking it at all if you still have antibodies.

Do you have proof of that ?

Nobody knows if having antibodies makes you fully immune, in fact there is a story from this week, about a woman who had it, fully recovered, got it again and subsequently died.