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somapop said:
Interesting thread
There’s a retort below from a supposed colleague (mentions field epidemiology) but it doesn’t go any further:

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No, indeed, it doesn't go any further, so it's impossible to know what his objections are. The MP's analysis is consistent with the wider scientific critique.

I got the link via Kit Yates at Bath Uni who's on Independent SAGE.

He's worth following, and if you're interested there's a tweet linking to the piece on C4 news which has a leading public health expert making a similar analysis.

 
kaz7 said:
I dont get why it matters
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Because the figures shout that all these people were ill with Corona Virus when they weren't. They may have been mildly symptomatic but the weren't sent to hospital because they have Corona virus, and had they not been in hospital for other reasons they wouldnt have been counted as hospital admissions.... accuracy of data, that's why it matters :0).
 
BigJoe#1 said:
quite indisputable that the deaths and reinfection rates are far superior to the majority of the rest of Europe.
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This is utter bollocks. Sweden has one of the very highest death rates in Europe. Their second wave seems a bit behind, but rising consistently for weeks now, and they're taking about imposing new restrictions.

Basically the article argues that Sweden is best as long as you ignore everything other than a six week period, and doesn't even consider the issues in translating their response to a country like the uk.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The evidence that gullible people will believe what is convenient rather than face hard truths does indeed mount up.
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What qualifies people to be gullible? The fact that they are prepared to not accept the government information without a challenge?

Fair enough.... I think it's safe to say we have different opinions, which is healthy.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
This is utter bollocks. Sweden has one of the very highest death rates in Europe. Their second wave seems a bit behind, but rising consistently for weeks now, and they're taking about imposing new restrictions.

Basically the article argues that Sweden is best as long as you ignore everything other than a six week period, and doesn't even consider the issues in translating their response to a country like the uk.
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You will find the Swedish death rate was not that different the UK's when you look at it as a % of the population. Not really bollocks as you so eloquently put it!
 
roubaixtuesday said:
No, indeed, it doesn't go any further, so it's impossible to know what his objections are. The MP's analysis is consistent with the wider scientific critique.

I got the link via Kit Yates at Bath Uni who's on Independent SAGE.

He's worth following, and if you're interested there's a tweet linking to the piece on C4 news which has a leading public health expert making a similar analysis.

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Thanks will do (and look at the link too).
 
This is an interesting set of numbers. It is showing the past week in the 10 GM boroughs and how the weekly Pop score (the cases numbers added up as reported per day v 100,000 population - making it even out and be relative to one another across differing borough populations).

This is how the government draw up watch lists on towns UK wide and decide on tier restrictions. Everywhere over 200 is considered a problem and will be on watch but the higher numbers are what usually lead to action,

Those in the top 10 worst tend to be over 400 (or higher 300s).

I record this number in my list each evening based on the day to day Pop Score increase (it can only ever go up unless 0 cases are added, of course).

Here is how this number has changed over those days for the GM boroughs.

The lower the number the better the borough is doing as it means fewer cases. Rising or falling is what they watch out for as it shows the trend.

Stockport was 307 now 274

Bolton was 346 now 360

Tameside was 346 now 343

Trafford was 370 now 320

Oldham was 396 now 379

Bury was 408 now 387

Salford was 417 now 408

Rochdale was 437 now 429

Wigan was 439 now 430

Manchester was 629 now 450



As you can see only Bolton has actually gone up in the past week. Manchester has fallen dramatically as the student case numbers have plummeted. Most places only have modest drops but Trafford and Stockport - traditionally the two best performers - have done best. Bury has fallen out of the 400s too.

These numbers certainly are going in the right direction. Thats the main thing to draw from them.
 
We think acting earlier can prevent more disruption later." Kevin Courtney, from the @NEUnion, says he's backing calls for a circuit breaker over October half-term as data shows there's been a "trebling" of COVID cases in secondary schools. Latest: https://trib.al/gbdYm3b

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Coronavirus news – latest UK updates: Britain records 20,890 new COVID-19 infections and 102 deaths

Latest COVID-19 updates from the UK and worldwide - as talks continue over moving parts of Nottinghamshire into Tier 3.
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Healdplace said:
This is an interesting set of numbers. It is showing the past week in the 10 GM boroughs and how the weekly Pop score (the cases numbers added up as reported per day v 100,000 population - making it even out and be relative to one another across differing borough populations).

This is how the government draw up watch lists on towns UK wide and decide on tier restrictions. Everywhere over 200 is considered a problem and will be on watch but the higher numbers are what usually lead to action,

Those in the top 10 worst tend to be over 400 (or higher 300s).

I record this number in my list each evening based on the day to day Pop Score increase (it can only ever go up unless 0 cases are added, of course).

Here is how this number has changed over those days for the GM boroughs.

The lower the number the better the borough is doing as it means fewer cases. Rising or falling is what they watch out for as it shows the trend.

Stockport was 307 now 274

Bolton was 346 now 360

Tameside was 346 now 343

Trafford was 370 now 320

Oldham was 396 now 379

Bury was 408 now 387

Salford was 417 now 408

Rochdale was 437 now 429

Wigan was 439 now 430

Manchester was 629 now 450



As you can see only Bolton has actually gone up in the past week. Manchester has fallen dramatically as the student case numbers have plummeted. Most places only have modest drops but Trafford and Stockport - traditionally the two best performers - have done best. Bury has fallen out of the 400s too.

These numbers certainly are going in the right direction. Thats the main thing to draw from them.
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So why do we keep being told they are rising?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Read the article.... no one has said they were the best but if you look at the graphs it is quite indisputable that the deaths and reinfection rates are far superior to the majority of the rest of Europe.

Why are you so reluctant to consider there might be another way? The stats are speaking for themselves.

As well as the current figures supporting this thought, remember, Sweden did not shut down, schools, pubs, offices, businesses al, remained open.

It is acknowledged that they fucked up on Care homes and certainly should have done better, but having gone through the process and now we're on the other side, I and I think many others would say we would all prefer to be where Sweden are now as opposed to the UK.
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BigJoe#1 said:
Read the article.... no one has said they were the best but if you look at the graphs it is quite indisputable that the deaths and reinfection rates are far superior to the majority of the rest of Europe.

Why are you so reluctant to consider there might be another way? The stats are speaking for themselves.

As well as the current figures supporting this thought, remember, Sweden did not shut down, schools, pubs, offices, businesses al, remained open.

It is acknowledged that they fucked up on Care homes and certainly should have done better, but having gone through the process and now we're on the other side, I and I think many others would say we would all prefer to be where Sweden are now as opposed to the UK.
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I’ve had a look at your article and I wasn’t that impressed Joe. If the Swedes had brilliant results then I would acknowledge it but they haven’t. We’ve been through this before on this forum and Sweden hadn’t done any better than its neighbours. Some posters highlight Sweden on ideological groundsthat is fair enough but even current results put it behind Sweden and Greece.
www.ecdc.europa.eu

The European Respiratory Virus Surveillance Summary (ERVISS)

This interactive dashboard provides a weekly integrated epidemiological summary for influenza, RSV and SARS-CoV-2.
www.ecdc.europa.eu www.ecdc.europa.eu

I truly wish the Swedes had very few cases and the virus disappeared everywhere but just trying to undermine how UK figures are counted and pretending one country is doing much better than another doesn’t get us that far.
 
kaz7 said:
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I read similar the other day, and was then later discussing it with someone who knows a married couple that have it. The guy is very ill, having been fit and healthy before, whilst his wife (who has a heart problem) is nowhere near as bad.
I know my group is negative, just not sure if A or O.
 
Wales data up first today:

Sadly 5 deaths (there 4 last week, though 21 were reported as they added 17 that got lost earlier in the week).

674 cases at 7.6% positive.

Last week there were 627 cases and the week before 576 - so quite a slow increase week to week to week here.
 
Lots of flat earthers on here. Keep an open mind people -I won't be led by politicians and scientists who are basically going to cover their backs to suppress anything that might contradict their chosen path. I'm not saying Sweden was right but ................ king george.jpg



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BigJoe#1 said:
You will find the Swedish death rate was not that different the UK's when you look at it as a % of the population. Not really bollocks as you so eloquently put it!
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Indeed. We both have extremely high death rates. Whereas you claimed "quite indisputable that the deaths and reinfection rates are far superior to the majority of the rest of Europe."

Far from "indisputable", that is absolute prime bollocks. Not only is Sweden's death rate not "far superior to the rest of Europe", it's the exact opposite. There's not a single European country with a significantly worse death rate than Sweden.
 
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