COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[sniff]

Which pubs and have you got a link?

i know the Starkey's arms in Heywood was shut.. That's a holts pub, i know because i was contacted by track and trace. Two others also had to close for a deep clean after someone had been there and eventually tested positive. Unsurprisingly the landlords and brewery's try to keep this on the low down, its simply bad for keeping punters in your pub. But the whole argument and logic in the question is flawed before you even get to that.

So he says that no one caught it in any of those pubs since lockdown ended ? you ok... can you prove 100% where anyone got infected ? was it school was it work ? was it the bus ride home ? or was it the shop to get some cigs ? its impossible to prove exactly where anyone contracts a virus.. but to say it hasn't happened in any of those pubs is complete bollocks as i have personally witnessed this, i had to get my child tested to see if we could go on holiday as her mother was drinking in that venue.. so take that as you will.

 

[M18CTID]

You'd have been fuckin' ace at the outbreak of WWII. "Draw the curtains at night as part of the country's fight against the enemy? Heaven forfend Jeeves, we're being asked to dim the courtyard lights. What's that you say? The major industrial cities are highly populated and more likely to be attacked by the hun? Scrivvens, let them die; I've not got where I am today by doing any of this community malarkey. Make mine a Pimms and remember to bring the (literal and metaphorical) drawbridge up".

And while you’re at it, send all the southern ponces up north to our universities to help spread the virus and then claim it’s only us northerners who are Covidiots!

 

[M18CTID]

i know the Starkey's arms in Heywood was shut.. That's a holts pub, i know because i was contacted by track and trace. Two others also had to close for a deep clean after someone had been there and eventually tested positive. Unsurprisingly the landlords and brewery's try to keep this on the low down, its simply bad for keeping punters in your pub. But the whole argument and logic in the question is flawed before you even get to that.

So he says that no one caught it in any of those pubs since lockdown ended ? you ok... can you prove 100% where anyone got infected ? was it school was it work ? was it the bus ride home ? or was it the shop to get some cigs ? its impossible to prove exactly where anyone contracts a virus.. but to say it hasn't happened in any of those pubs is complete bollocks as i have personally witnessed this, i had to get my child tested to see if we could go on holiday as her mother was drinking in that venue.. so take that as you will.

Fair enough but I think there is a general point here that pubs aren’t anything like the breeding ground for this virus and it’s being spread far more in other environments

 

[kaz7]

Ive built my business up on trust and good name over 15 years. The VAST majority are returning customers who know me by name and ask about my family and tell me about theres. I have customers who ive never met leaving keys for me as ive been recommended and trust follows

trust me, its not a trust issue. Nice try at a cheap dig though. Although our paths have crossed i still thought you better than that

I didnt aim it at you, you read that wrong , it was a point that old people are terrified of being robbed, it was not personal , i am better than that as it happens

 

[sniff]

Fair enough but I think there is a general point here that pubs aren’t anything like the breeding ground for this virus and it’s being spread far more in other environments

its not an argument of it being specifically pubs. the argument is that any indoor communal spaces are a risk. That's a proven fact and not for debate. But Schools are simply more important to the wider economy. they allow people of all professions to have child care whilst learning. so to shut a school will leave most parents with no option but to stay off work and that's the debate with the wider community right now. i know a pub has peoples livelihoods at stake, but so will closing schools. Closing a school causes more social issues than a pub im afraid, maybe there are better ways of doing things.. but ive not heard them brought to the table.. its not a simple as forcing people to stick to the rules, when the issue is simply people sharing the same space indoors.

 

[Bluesince1979]

I didnt aim it at you, you read that wrong , it was a point that old people are terrified of being robbed, it was not personal , i am better than that as it happens

Ok point taken. But in the situations im finding myself in its 100% not a trust issue.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Imo a national circuit breaker , cut cornwall off and gov can bring back mortage holidays and ask utility firms for payment deferrals ,bring back furlough , doing it by region puts everyone in those areas in trouble money wise , by doing it this way it is creating more problems, no way is easy of course

Out of interest Kaz, how many national lockdowns do you think we will need and for how long each time? I understand the ones so far have cost in the region of £400bn.

If the vaccine hasnt arrived by this time next year and if it isnt very effective as some of the more doom sayers in the science community are predicting will these lockdowns carry on throughout next year?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I live in Trafford and we have been under strict rules for a few weeks.

Can someone tell me what changes in tier 3 aside from pubs and bars?

Does grass roots kids football/team sports and stuff like that continue?

That is households mixing outdoors?

thats the thing, will it change anything.

 

[blueparrot]

Out of interest Kaz, how many national lockdowns do you think we will need and for how long each time? I understand the ones so far have cost in the region of £400bn.

If the vaccine hasnt arrived by this time next year and if it isnt very effective as some of the more doom sayers in the science community are predicting will these lockdowns carry on throughout next year?

I would assume policy is being decided with a vaccine date in mind though, and trying to see us though to that date. If thinking on a vaccine changes policy would change.

 

[Blue and still suffering]

Said he's going to get VAR to review the tackle , bung a few billion to track and trace to find out who did it and promises to put Pickford into lockdown.

He also said that £60 million allocated to Greater Manchester would now be sent straight to Klopp to buy a replacement and that he would speak to UEFA about re-opening the transfer window just for them.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[Healdplace]

Greater Manchester scoreboard:


Manchester 379 - down from 360. Total cases 15,920. Weekly 2561. Pop score up 69 to 2880. Weekly Pop 464

Wigan 270 - down from 276. Total cases 7276. Weekly 1599. Pop score up 82 to enter the 2300 club at 2314. Weekly Pop 462.

Salford 256 - up from 239. Total cases 6250. Weekly 1349. Pop score up 99 to enter the 2400 club at 2415.Weekly Pop 421.

Bolton 208 - down from 319. Total cases 7858. Weekly 1328. Pop score up 73 to enter the 2700 club at 2733. Weekly Pop 462.

Oldham 182 - down from 217. Total cases 6972. Weekly 1122. Pop score up 76 to enter the 2900 club at 2940. First GM town into 3000s likely tomorrow. Weekly Pop 473.

Rochdale 181 - down from 222. Total cases 6187. Weekly 1138. Pop score up 82 to 2782. Weekly Pop 512. Worst in GM.

Stockport 171 - up from 160. Total cases 5180. Weekly 913. Pop score up 58 to 1765. Lowest in GM. Weekly Pop 311. Best in GM but rising steadily.

Bury 143 - down from 144. Total cases 4780. Weekly 850. Pop score up 75 to enter 2500 club at 2503. Weekly Pop 445.

Trafford 138 - up from 136. Total cases 4639. Weekly 840. Best in GM. Pop score up 59 to 1955. Gap behind Stockport up 1 to 190. May well join the 2000 club tomorrow unless it has a good day. Weekly Pop 354. Might yet catch Stockport on this measure.

Tameside 134 - down from 157. Total cases 5198. Weekly 880. Pop score up 59 to 2295. Weekly Pop 388 .

Now three boroughs in the watch list scores of 300s, six in the 400s, and one in the 500s. From Stockport at 311 to Rochdale at 512.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I would assume policy is being decided with a vaccine date in mind though, and trying to see us though to that date. If thinking on a vaccine changes policy would change.

I suspose so, they are always going to downplay the arrival of a vaccine. Cant help thinking that these tightening of restrictions are just kicking the can down the road and delaying the inevitable. Not sure they are really working either.

 

[Blue Maverick]

So I can’t visit my parents or mix with friends but I can get on a plane to Greece for 4 hours with hundreds of strangers then mix at a hotel with people from around the world fly back after a week and go back to work, ye tier 3 my arse.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

What the fuck is an 'influencer'?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Greater Manchester scoreboard:


Manchester 379 - down from 360. Total cases 15,920. Weekly 2561. Pop score up 69 to 2880. Weekly Pop 464

Wigan 270 - down from 276. Total cases 7276. Weekly 1599. Pop score up 82 to enter the 2300 club at 2314. Weekly Pop 462.

Salford 256 - up from 239. Total cases 6250. Weekly 1349. Pop score up 99 to enter the 2400 club at 2415.Weekly Pop 421.

Bolton 208 - down from 319. Total cases 7858. Weekly 1328. Pop score up 73 to enter the 2700 club at 2733. Weekly Pop 462.

Oldham 182 - down from 217. Total cases 6972. Weekly 1122. Pop score up 76 to enter the 2900 club at 2940. First GM town into 3000s likely tomorrow. Weekly Pop 473.

Rochdale 181 - down from 222. Total cases 6187. Weekly 1138. Pop score up 82 to 2782. Weekly Pop 512. Worst in GM.

Stockport 171 - up from 160. Total cases 5180. Weekly 913. Pop score up 58 to 1765. Lowest in GM. Weekly Pop 311. Best in GM but rising steadily.

Bury 143 - down from 144. Total cases 4780. Weekly 850. Pop score up 75 to enter 2500 club at 2503. Weekly Pop 445.

Trafford 138 - up from 136. Total cases 4639. Weekly 840. Best in GM. Pop score up 59 to 1955. Gap behind Stockport up 1 to 190. May well join the 2000 club tomorrow unless it has a good day. Weekly Pop 354. Might yet catch Stockport on this measure.

Tameside 134 - down from 157. Total cases 5198. Weekly 880. Pop score up 59 to 2295. Weekly Pop 388 .

Now three boroughs in the watch list scores of 300s, six in the 400s, and one in the 500s. From Stockport at 311 to Rochdale at 512.

Good evening Healdplace, overall that looks like good news to me with a lot of downs ans not many ups.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

So I can’t visit my parents or mix with friends but I can get on a plane to Greece for 4 hours with hundreds of strangers then mix at a hotel with people from around the world fly back after a week and go back to work, ye tier 3 my arse.

Well you can, but why would you?

 

[Healdplace]

Other news today:

Bradford was top scorer today with 461 cases - pop score up 88 to 2681

Liverpool next on 444 cases - pop score up 90 to 3114.

Birmingham had 343, Nottingham 314 and Blackburn a big jump up to 188 - taking its pop score up the highest today of 126 to 2972 and almost certainly the 3000 club tomorrow.

Burnley too may join them as it had 74 cases and its pop score up 83 to 2976

Knowsley had 148 cases (down from 175) but added 94 to its pop score and remains well out on top in the UK at 3373.

 

[Nellies left peg]

thats the thing, will it change anything.

The thing is, we shouldn't have to ask it should be made crystal clear