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Txiki Begiristain
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roy.or.r
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I think Txiki has gotten a couple of signings wrong but comparing his signings with Gary cook's is madness. Cook didn't have any FFP restrictions to abide to unlike Txiki. There is no chance that Txiki could have bought someone like Aguero or Silva without breaking transfer records. So blaming the whole transfer policy at Txiki is foolish. Yes he has made a lot of blunders and we should be critical but he has got things right too even when UEFA is after our ass all the time.
nellyonthewing
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So Gary Cook had about a 70% success rate in signings with many proving to be stellar signings. I don't think Txixi comes close ..Sorry to offend.Garry Cook signings made for Manchester City
2008-09 Season he signed: Jo, Tal Ben-Haim, Vincent Kompany, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Pablo Zabaleta, Glauber Berti, Robinho, Wayne Bridge, Craig Bellamy, Nigel de Jong, Shay Given
2009-10 Season he signed: Gareth Barry, Roque Santa-Cruz, Stuart Taylor, Carlos Tevez, Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Sylvinho, Joleon Lescott, Patrick Vieira, Adam Johnson
2010-11 Season he signed: Jerome Boateng, Yaya Toure, David Silva, James Milner, Aleksander Kolarov, Mario Balotelli, Edin Dzeko
2011-12 Season he signed: Gael Clichy, Samir Nasri, Sergio Aguero, Stefan Savic, Owen Hargreaves, Costel Pantilimon
Winter 2011 and Season 2012-13 Players signed were recruited by Brian Marwood as acting DoF, as Garry Cook left in September 2011
Txiki Begiristain signings made for Manchester City
2013-14 Season he signed: Fernandinho, Jesus Navas, Alvaro Negredo, Stefan Jovetic, Martin Demichelis
2014-15 Season he signed: Eliaquim Mangala, Wilfried Bony, Wily Caballero, Fernando, Bruno Zucculini, Frank Lampard, Bacary Sagna
2015-16 Season he signed: Raheem Sterling, Kevin de Bruyne, Fabian Delph, Nicholas Otamendi, Enes Unal, Patrick Roberts, Anthony Caceres, Reuben Sobrino, Florian LeJuene
2016-17 Season he signed: John Stones, Leroy Sane, Gabriel Jesus, Ilkay Gundogan, Claudio Bravo, Nolito, Marlos Moreno, Oleksandr Zinchenko, Pablo Mari, Aaron Mooy, Yangel Herrera, Geronimo Rulli
2017-18 Season he signed: Aymeric Laporte, Benjamin Mendy, Bernardo Silva, Ederson, Kyle Walker, Danilo, Douglas Luiz, Jack Harrison, Olaweyenju Kayode
2018-19 Season he signed: Riyad Mahrez, Ante Palaversa, Phillippe Sandler, Ko Itakure, Daniel Arzani,
2019-20 Season he signed: Joao Cancelo, Rodri, Angelino, Pedro Porro, Zack Steffen, Scott Carson, Ryotaro Meshino
2020-21 Season he signed: Nathan Ake, Ferran Torres, Reuben Dias, Yan Couto, Pablo Moreno, Nahuel Bustos, Issa Kabore
I would have boldend out the first 3 of this seasons signings, but it is too early to tell yet whether or not they have been good signings or not, the others have had time to establish that question.
Players in Bold are good signings IMO made by the club at the time they made them, or did well for what we signed them for, those in none-bold are bad/irrelevant and poor signings IMO for a wide range of reasons, lack of football skills, injury prone, too much spent, signed and never played much etc
But THAT is a full breakdown of ALL signings we made that cost money to purchase (first team or then loaned out) or were free signings made for the first team only.
citizen_maine
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and would have broken FFP every season probablySo Gary Cook had about a 70% success rate in signings with many proving to be stellar signings. I don't think Txixi comes close ..Sorry to offend.
hilts
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So txiki isn't the second coming or fucking useless just somewhere in between. Glad we got there.
markbmcfc
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Still staggers me that people think Txiki is the one thats held accountable for how good or or bad a signing is.
Mad.
Mad.
it is your opinion-fwiw, Navas, Delph, Gundogan have all been v successful signings, champions, centurions, multiple cup winners, value for money-your bar is pretty high if you think they were poor buys. And plenty of the signings you list eg Mooy were never bough for the first team and proved 'successful' in other ways.Garry Cook signings made for Manchester City
2008-09 Season he signed: Jo, Tal Ben-Haim, Vincent Kompany, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Pablo Zabaleta, Glauber Berti, Robinho, Wayne Bridge, Craig Bellamy, Nigel de Jong, Shay Given
2009-10 Season he signed: Gareth Barry, Roque Santa-Cruz, Stuart Taylor, Carlos Tevez, Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Sylvinho, Joleon Lescott, Patrick Vieira, Adam Johnson
2010-11 Season he signed: Jerome Boateng, Yaya Toure, David Silva, James Milner, Aleksander Kolarov, Mario Balotelli, Edin Dzeko
2011-12 Season he signed: Gael Clichy, Samir Nasri, Sergio Aguero, Stefan Savic, Owen Hargreaves, Costel Pantilimon
Winter 2011 and Season 2012-13 Players signed were recruited by Brian Marwood as acting DoF, as Garry Cook left in September 2011
Txiki Begiristain signings made for Manchester City
2013-14 Season he signed: Fernandinho, Jesus Navas, Alvaro Negredo, Stefan Jovetic, Martin Demichelis
2014-15 Season he signed: Eliaquim Mangala, Wilfried Bony, Wily Caballero, Fernando, Bruno Zucculini, Frank Lampard, Bacary Sagna
2015-16 Season he signed: Raheem Sterling, Kevin de Bruyne, Fabian Delph, Nicholas Otamendi, Enes Unal, Patrick Roberts, Anthony Caceres, Reuben Sobrino, Florian LeJuene
2016-17 Season he signed: John Stones, Leroy Sane, Gabriel Jesus, Ilkay Gundogan, Claudio Bravo, Nolito, Marlos Moreno, Oleksandr Zinchenko, Pablo Mari, Aaron Mooy, Yangel Herrera, Geronimo Rulli
2017-18 Season he signed: Aymeric Laporte, Benjamin Mendy, Bernardo Silva, Ederson, Kyle Walker, Danilo, Douglas Luiz, Jack Harrison, Olaweyenju Kayode
2018-19 Season he signed: Riyad Mahrez, Ante Palaversa, Phillippe Sandler, Ko Itakure, Daniel Arzani,
2019-20 Season he signed: Joao Cancelo, Rodri, Angelino, Pedro Porro, Zack Steffen, Scott Carson, Ryotaro Meshino
2020-21 Season he signed: Nathan Ake, Ferran Torres, Reuben Dias, Yan Couto, Pablo Moreno, Nahuel Bustos, Issa Kabore
I would have boldend out the first 3 of this seasons signings, but it is too early to tell yet whether or not they have been good signings or not, the others have had time to establish that question.
Players in Bold are good signings IMO made by the club at the time they made them, or did well for what we signed them for, those in none-bold are bad/irrelevant and poor signings IMO for a wide range of reasons, lack of football skills, injury prone, too much spent, signed and never played much etc
But THAT is a full breakdown of ALL signings we made that cost money to purchase (first team or then loaned out) or were free signings made for the first team only.
This list is very revealing. It shows that you just have a terribly childish opinion of what a bad signing is.Garry Cook signings made for Manchester City
2008-09 Season he signed: Jo, Tal Ben-Haim, Vincent Kompany, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Pablo Zabaleta, Glauber Berti, Robinho, Wayne Bridge, Craig Bellamy, Nigel de Jong, Shay Given
2009-10 Season he signed: Gareth Barry, Roque Santa-Cruz, Stuart Taylor, Carlos Tevez, Emmanuel Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Sylvinho, Joleon Lescott, Patrick Vieira, Adam Johnson
2010-11 Season he signed: Jerome Boateng, Yaya Toure, David Silva, James Milner, Aleksander Kolarov, Mario Balotelli, Edin Dzeko
2011-12 Season he signed: Gael Clichy, Samir Nasri, Sergio Aguero, Stefan Savic, Owen Hargreaves, Costel Pantilimon
Winter 2011 and Season 2012-13 Players signed were recruited by Brian Marwood as acting DoF, as Garry Cook left in September 2011
Txiki Begiristain signings made for Manchester City
2013-14 Season he signed: Fernandinho, Jesus Navas, Alvaro Negredo, Stefan Jovetic, Martin Demichelis
2014-15 Season he signed: Eliaquim Mangala, Wilfried Bony, Wily Caballero, Fernando, Bruno Zucculini, Frank Lampard, Bacary Sagna
2015-16 Season he signed: Raheem Sterling, Kevin de Bruyne, Fabian Delph, Nicholas Otamendi, Enes Unal, Patrick Roberts, Anthony Caceres, Reuben Sobrino, Florian LeJuene
2016-17 Season he signed: John Stones, Leroy Sane, Gabriel Jesus, Ilkay Gundogan, Claudio Bravo, Nolito, Marlos Moreno, Oleksandr Zinchenko, Pablo Mari, Aaron Mooy, Yangel Herrera, Geronimo Rulli
2017-18 Season he signed: Aymeric Laporte, Benjamin Mendy, Bernardo Silva, Ederson, Kyle Walker, Danilo, Douglas Luiz, Jack Harrison, Olaweyenju Kayode
2018-19 Season he signed: Riyad Mahrez, Ante Palaversa, Phillippe Sandler, Ko Itakure, Daniel Arzani,
2019-20 Season he signed: Joao Cancelo, Rodri, Angelino, Pedro Porro, Zack Steffen, Scott Carson, Ryotaro Meshino
2020-21 Season he signed: Nathan Ake, Ferran Torres, Reuben Dias, Yan Couto, Pablo Moreno, Nahuel Bustos, Issa Kabore
I would have boldend out the first 3 of this seasons signings, but it is too early to tell yet whether or not they have been good signings or not, the others have had time to establish that question.
Players in Bold are good signings IMO made by the club at the time they made them, or did well for what we signed them for, those in none-bold are bad/irrelevant and poor signings IMO for a wide range of reasons, lack of football skills, injury prone, too much spent, signed and never played much etc
But THAT is a full breakdown of ALL signings we made that cost money to purchase (first team or then loaned out) or were free signings made for the first team only.
Fabian Delph. £8m, sold for £5m. Net cost of £3m for the starting LB in the best season of the club's history? Yes please, good signing. Had a lot of important games, shame about the injuries in his first 18 months but did well for us.
Ilkay Gundogan for £20m a bad signing? Not a chance.
Obviously anyone who thinks Jesus Navas was bad purchase is a wrongun. £11m for the first season alone was worth it, and even after that, he was a good squad player people scapegoated because of Pellegrini's poor tactics. Love seeing him winning in Sevilla and back in the Spain starting side.
Mooy, Angelino, Enes Unal, Harrison, Douglas Luiz bad purchases? Why? Because they made us £50m profit? Looks like Luiz is going to come back into the squad next season and he'll have cost us <10m for a Brazil international.
Garry Cook’s posting again.
Ahsan, are you guys doing a preview pod today or is everyone still too depressed about how shit Saturday was to talk about football?
So Gary Cook had about a 70% success rate in signings with many proving to be stellar signings. I don't think Txixi comes close ..Sorry to offend.
I think he's at least on par. I'm only interested in Manchester City first team signings, as Cook didn't have any CFG considerations or long term project players.
2013/14 - He gets 4/5 right.
2014/15 - 2/6
2015/16 - 4/4
2016/17 - 5/7
2017/18 - 5/6
20/28 successful. I'm not going to go further because I think everyone bought after 2017 could still very easily be viewed as either a failure or success by the time they leave.