COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[mancity1]

So if we could just get the over 80s vaccinated, what a difference to the numbers it would make.

You don't want anybody to get the thing because for some there are lingering effects that will continue to impact negatively on their health but especially the elderly and numbers but given the small mortality rate I would suggest keeping the elderly safe is a good start.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

So if we could just get the over 80s vaccinated, what a difference to the numbers it would make.

This is my hope too. If we can get even the over 80s vaccinated I *think* things could open up a huge amount, with guidelines still in place for the most vulnerable. Reason being, our NHS won't (shouldn't) become overwhelmed which is the entire point in lockdowns/guidelines in any case.

All depends on good news continuing with Pfizer and AZ following suit, hopefully soon.

 

[mancity1]

And the chances of both being both must be astronomical, wouldn't you think?

At the same point in time yes I agree especially for one of them (LOL).

We have had cases where the individual has tested false positive then false negative and vice versa.

 

[BlueAnorak]

For those who are determined to have a Christmas get together no matter what.

I can only hope that it's one of your family or friends that dies rather than someone less selfish than you.

You do know that Flu cases have NEVER gone up over Christmas?
What makes you think Covid-19 will be any different.
Close schools two weeks beforehand and it will all be fine.

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard:

Manchester 165 - down big from 259 to its lowest numbers since mid September. And first sub 200 since then. Total cases 29, 204. Weekly 4803. Pop score up by 29 to 5282. Lowest rise by Manchester in months. Weekly Pop down 51 to 868. Big falls will happen because of that student re-allocation of over 3000 in one go to Manchester.

Rochdale 158 - up from 156. Total cases 11, 609. Weekly 1052. Pop score up 71 to 5220. Weekly Pop down 48 to 473.

Oldham 129 - down from 162. A very long time since 129 was the third highest in GM. Total cases 13. 727. Weekly 1146. Pop score up 54 to 5789. Weekly Pop down 76 to 483. Huge drop as Oldham's Pop score rose hugely last week when it was having over 300 cases in the top 3 or 4 worst in UK. Big change.

Wigan 119 - down from 198. Lowest from Wigan since mid September too. Total cases 15, 260. Weekly 1193. Pop score up 33 to 4643. Weekly Pop down 65 to 363.

Bolton 118 - down from 158. Total cases 13, 961. Weekly 1024. Pop score up 41 to 4855. Weekly Pop down 37 to 356.

Salford 111 - down from 143. Total cases 12, 633. Weekly 1434. Pop score up 43 to 4881. Weekly Pop down 63 to 554.

Stockport 107 - up from 97. Worst increase in GM today. Not often you get to say that about Stockport! Total cases 9764. Weekly 674. Pop score up 36 to 3327. Nowhere near best today. Even Manchester beat it! Weekly Pop down 33 to 229.

Tameside 96 - down from 127. Total cases 9778. Weekly 882. Pop score up 42 to 4317. (In case you are puzzled - lower cases added than Stockport - larger Pop score rise - Stockport is much bigger than Tameside so 107 there is better than 96 here related to Pop(ulation). Weekly Pop down 41 to 389. Again - Weekly Pop falls more than Stockport as it measures the change over the week and Tameside has fallen further in those 7 days.

Bury 91 - down from 130. Total cases 8994. Weekly 663. Second best total in GM after soring big two or three weeks ago. Pop score up 47 to 4709. Again may seem a lot given the numbers but small borough population size. Weekly Pop down 60 to 347. But again big drop here because it is having much lower cases than last week.

Trafford 56 - down from 78 and 5th straight number under 100 for GMs best in show. Mid Sep since anywhere was this low in GM. Total cases 8223. Weekly 355. Long time since any borough was here too. Easily the lowest in GM. Pop score 23 to 3464. Lowest GM pop score rise in over 2 months. At 3464 now just 137 behind Stockport for overall lead - a gap narrowing by chunks daily. Good chance it will get there in a week or two unless Stockport falls further too. Weekly Pop down 53 to 149. Lowest anyone in GM has been since early/mid September. And 80 ahead of Stockport here.

Someone needs to investigate the reasons why Trafford has been the top performer in GM over this second wave. It was not in wave 1. So we could maybe learn a lot from figuring out why.

Any theories?

 

[BlueAnorak]

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hmm

Landmark Danish study finds no significant effect for facemask wearers

Do face masks work? Earlier this year, the UK government decided that masks could play a significant role in stopping Covid-19 and made masks mandatory in a number of public places. But are these policies backed by the scientific evidence? Yesterday marked the publication of a long-delayed trial...

www.spectator.co.uk

Ha. The Great "white" hope of antimaskers shows that wearing masks results in 18% less infections than if you didn't. That is NOT statistically insignificant.
I raise you with the many often peer reviewed reports that came with the CDC press statement last week. Which also point out that you mainly catch it when you're in a confined unventilated space. I await the peer review process for Denmark with interest.

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

Clicking the mask link

COVID-19 ARCHIVED WEBPAGE

This historical page is not up to date. Find the latest on COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

Leads to 25 quoted research papers.

So to all the antimskers out there, wear a face nappy and shut the f*ck up. You are wrong on a colossal scale.

 

[mancity1]

You do know that Flu cases have NEVER gone up over Christmas?
What makes you think Covid-19 will be any different.
Close schools two weeks beforehand and it will all be fine

You do know that Flu cases have NEVER gone up over Christmas?
What makes you think Covid-19 will be any different.
Close schools two weeks beforehand and it will all be fine.

Better to where gloves and socially distance especially those ones laced with arsenic.

 

[mancity1]

GM scoreboard:

Manchester 165 - down big from 259 to its lowest numbers since mid September. And first sub 200 since then. Total cases 29, 204. Weekly 4803. Pop score up by 29 to 5282. Lowest rise by Manchester in months. Weekly Pop down 51 to 868. Big falls will happen because of that student re-allocation of over 3000 in one go to Manchester.

Rochdale 158 - up from 156. Total cases 11, 609. Weekly 1052. Pop score up 71 to 5220. Weekly Pop down 48 to 473.

Oldham 129 - down from 162. A very long time since 129 was the third highest in GM. Total cases 13. 727. Weekly 1146. Pop score up 54 to 5789. Weekly Pop down 76 to 483. Huge drop as Oldham's Pop score rose hugely last week when it was having over 300 cases in the top 3 or 4 worst in UK. Big change.

Wigan 119 - down from 198. Lowest from Wigan since mid September too. Total cases 15, 260. Weekly 1193. Pop score up 33 to 4643. Weekly Pop down 65 to 363.

Bolton 118 - down from 158. Total cases 13, 961. Weekly 1024. Pop score up 41 to 4855. Weekly Pop down 37 to 356.

Salford 111 - down from 143. Total cases 12, 633. Weekly 1434. Pop score up 43 to 4881. Weekly Pop down 63 to 554.

Stockport 107 - up from 97. Worst increase in GM today. Not often you get to say that about Stockport! Total cases 9764. Weekly 674. Pop score up 36 to 3327. Nowhere near best today. Even Manchester beat it! Weekly Pop down 33 to 229.

Tameside 96 - down from 127. Total cases 9778. Weekly 882. Pop score up 42 to 4317. (In case you are puzzled - lower cases added than Stockport - larger Pop score rise - Stockport is much bigger than Tameside so 107 there is better than 96 here related to Pop(ulation). Weekly Pop down 41 to 389. Again - Weekly Pop falls more than Stockport as it measures the change over the week and Tameside has fallen further in those 7 days.

Bury 91 - down from 130. Total cases 8994. Weekly 663. Second best total in GM after soring big two or three weeks ago. Pop score up 47 to 4709. Again may seem a lot given the numbers but small borough population size. Weekly Pop down 60 to 347. But again big drop here because it is having much lower cases than last week.

Trafford 56 - down from 78 and 5th straight number under 100 for GMs best in show. Mid Sep since anywhere was this low in GM. Total cases 8223. Weekly 355. Long time since any borough was here too. Easily the lowest in GM. Pop score 23 to 3464. Lowest GM pop score rise in over 2 months. At 3464 now just 137 behind Stockport for overall lead - a gap narrowing by chunks daily. Good chance it will get there in a week or two unless Stockport falls further too. Weekly Pop down 53 to 149. Lowest anyone in GM has been since early/mid September. And 80 ahead of Stockport here.

Someone needs to investigate the reasons why Trafford has been the top performer in GM over this second wave. It was not in wave 1. So we could maybe learn a lot from figuring out why.

Any theories?

Girls are harder to get near in Trafford since the first wave?

 

[mackenzie]

GM scoreboard:

Manchester 165 - down big from 259 to its lowest numbers since mid September. And first sub 200 since then. Total cases 29, 204. Weekly 4803. Pop score up by 29 to 5282. Lowest rise by Manchester in months. Weekly Pop down 51 to 868. Big falls will happen because of that student re-allocation of over 3000 in one go to Manchester.

Rochdale 158 - up from 156. Total cases 11, 609. Weekly 1052. Pop score up 71 to 5220. Weekly Pop down 48 to 473.

Oldham 129 - down from 162. A very long time since 129 was the third highest in GM. Total cases 13. 727. Weekly 1146. Pop score up 54 to 5789. Weekly Pop down 76 to 483. Huge drop as Oldham's Pop score rose hugely last week when it was having over 300 cases in the top 3 or 4 worst in UK. Big change.

Wigan 119 - down from 198. Lowest from Wigan since mid September too. Total cases 15, 260. Weekly 1193. Pop score up 33 to 4643. Weekly Pop down 65 to 363.

Bolton 118 - down from 158. Total cases 13, 961. Weekly 1024. Pop score up 41 to 4855. Weekly Pop down 37 to 356.

Salford 111 - down from 143. Total cases 12, 633. Weekly 1434. Pop score up 43 to 4881. Weekly Pop down 63 to 554.

Stockport 107 - up from 97. Worst increase in GM today. Not often you get to say that about Stockport! Total cases 9764. Weekly 674. Pop score up 36 to 3327. Nowhere near best today. Even Manchester beat it! Weekly Pop down 33 to 229.

Tameside 96 - down from 127. Total cases 9778. Weekly 882. Pop score up 42 to 4317. (In case you are puzzled - lower cases added than Stockport - larger Pop score rise - Stockport is much bigger than Tameside so 107 there is better than 96 here related to Pop(ulation). Weekly Pop down 41 to 389. Again - Weekly Pop falls more than Stockport as it measures the change over the week and Tameside has fallen further in those 7 days.

Bury 91 - down from 130. Total cases 8994. Weekly 663. Second best total in GM after soring big two or three weeks ago. Pop score up 47 to 4709. Again may seem a lot given the numbers but small borough population size. Weekly Pop down 60 to 347. But again big drop here because it is having much lower cases than last week.

Trafford 56 - down from 78 and 5th straight number under 100 for GMs best in show. Mid Sep since anywhere was this low in GM. Total cases 8223. Weekly 355. Long time since any borough was here too. Easily the lowest in GM. Pop score 23 to 3464. Lowest GM pop score rise in over 2 months. At 3464 now just 137 behind Stockport for overall lead - a gap narrowing by chunks daily. Good chance it will get there in a week or two unless Stockport falls further too. Weekly Pop down 53 to 149. Lowest anyone in GM has been since early/mid September. And 80 ahead of Stockport here.

Someone needs to investigate the reasons why Trafford has been the top performer in GM over this second wave. It was not in wave 1. So we could maybe learn a lot from figuring out why.

Any theories?

Can only comment on Oldham but everyone I know seems to have had it!

 

[True_Blue69]

Time to shut supermarkets and reopen hospitality? We can all get food delivered they are not essential. Well be interesting to see if there is any reaction to this by the government.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-supermarkets-uk-exposure-nhs-b1748906.html

 

[artfuldodger]

Time to shut supermarkets and reopen hospitality? We can all get food delivered they are not essential. Well be interesting to see if there is any reaction to this by the government.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-supermarkets-uk-exposure-nhs-b1748906.html

I don’t know if I’m being thick, but it says this is from the NHS app 9th nov to the 15th, when we were in lockdown and hospitality, gyms etc were shut. So supermarkets are bound to be higher?

 

[Healdplace]

GM Weekly Pop Score change Todays number (lowest best) and day to day fall over last 7 days:

(NB the big shifts mid week notably to Trafford, Salford and Manchester are due to the adding and detracting of lots of cases because of the redistribution of student cases to the borough where they resided) -

Trafford 149 (Last 7 days 389 - 384 - 379 - 372 - 241 -215 - 202 - 149)

Stockport 229 (341 - 360 - 344 - 347 - 287 - 280 - 262 - 229)

Bury 347 (526 - 547 - 515 - 512 - 438 - 408 - 407 - 347)

Bolton 356 (460 - 478 - 469 - 470 - 415 - 411 - 393 - 356)

Wigan 363 ( 504 - 508 - 486 - 470 - 453 - 431 - 428 - 363)

Tameside 389 (402 - 433 - 421 - 421 - 451 - 426 - 430 - 389)

Rochdale 473 (560 - 567 - 552 - 566 - 535 - 518 - 521 - 473)

Oldham 483 (665 - 675 - 625 - 619 - 601 - 594 - 559 - 483)

Salford 554 (487 - 508 - 475 - 479 - 637 - 623 - 617 - 554)

Manchester 868 (397 - 410 - 406 - 403 - 932 - 929 - 919 - 868)


GM used to dominate the over 500 'red watch lists. But the only two boroughs above that level are Salford and Manchester both caused by the huge add ons from student reallocation. In a few days they will both lose this factor as the cases added are last week's not this - so no GM borough will be on watch after dominating it for much of wave 2.

This is another very visible sign of the good direction GM is heading right now.

 

[hammocity]

It's comfortably the second worst today behind Cheesy, with hogwash about masks when everyone knows their importance and benefit and the danger posed by those in enclosed spaces who don't wear them.

Would have been more honest for them to just admit they're not a decent, responsible human being and be done with it.

For those that say they can't wear a mask for health reasons I don't get why they can't wear a visor instead, they are not intrusive and don't affect breathing, may look a twat but it's unforgivable to try and circumvent the face covering rules with excuses that have no mitigation.

 

[Healdplace]

Can only comment on Oldham but everyone I know seems to have had it!

Waves will fade once the most susceptible and the most daring who brave the consequences catch and spread. So once you confine this to some degree it will slow. But we are nowhere near the point where enough will have had it to make this in effect kill the wave. It can suppress it. And minimise it. But if we emerge too early from the measures doing that and go out into the sunlight it will still be there ready to start over on the ones it missed.

I am presuming these things usually have 2 or 3 waves over the course of a couple of years in each region they spread to as they then reach a peak infection point where more have had it with some residual immunity each time and it becomes harder and harder to catch light and easier and easier to put out before the fire rages.

That is without things like a vaccine breaking the chain as was not there even in the 1918/1919 pandemic. But it fizzled out eventually after the third weakest wave. Though it was likely still 'out there' like many things are - just no longer a real threat to change the world over.

Not an expert or a scientist so I may have this entirely wrong but viruses do naturally become less virulent it would seem the more and more they spread. It just seems common sense this is part of why.

But I expect there is a lot more to it than this simplistic post infers.

 

[True_Blue69]

I don’t know if I’m being thick, but it says this is from the NHS app 9th nov to the 15th, when we were in lockdown and hospitality, gyms etc were shut. So supermarkets are bound to be higher?

Good point, wonder which gyms were still open! Should put to bed the argument about closing schools at least. Schools are more important than supermarkets, anyone can get food delivered once a week or even go to their local shop. Kids need to be in school more than people need supermarkets.

 

[kaz7]

Supermarkets are the most common place in England to contract coronavirus, new data has indicated.

Public Health England (PHE) retraced the steps and analysed the contacts of the 128,808 people using the NHS Test and Trace app to find where transmission is more likely to happen.

All had tested positive for Covid-19 between November 9 and November 15, Sky News reports.

 

[i8rags]

For those who are determined to have a Christmas get together no matter what.

I can only hope that it's one of your family or friends that dies rather than someone less selfish than you.

I personally hope no fucker died no matter how selfish or how dangerous a decision you may or may not make. I hope that people like cheesy could see how ridiculous this kind of post is, given that most have struggled with all kinds of issues family, work and mentally, ignore this post from the above, think well act well and be well.

 

[True_Blue69]

Supermarkets are the most common place in England to contract coronavirus, new data has indicated.

Public Health England (PHE) retraced the steps and analysed the contacts of the 128,808 people using the NHS Test and Trace app to find where transmission is more likely to happen.

All had tested positive for Covid-19 between November 9 and November 15, Sky News reports.

Shut them all! Not been in one for months always dirty at the best of times

 

[kaz7]

Shut them all! Not been in one for months always dirty at the best of times

My big tescos has gone back to one in one out, always has trolley and basket cleaner and you have to sanitiser your hands, some are running just fine , dont touch anything you do t have to and sanitise on the way out and wear a mask

 

[bluem@n]

Most supermarkets are well organised with cleaner for trolleys and sanitiser etc. I've never felt uncomfortable being in them tbh. Also, I've yet to see NHS Track and Trace QR's at supermarkets since they were introduced.