COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueAnorak]

The motto was supposed to be 'we are all in this together' - not 'the places someone picks out on a map are but the rest of you are not'. In a pandemic you ought to prioritise national unity not disunity.

They really should have created a war cabinet from day one and decided these things on the basis that viruses will never know they have crossed a border - be it from GM to Cheshire or England to Scotland or Wales.

Very possibly N Ireland and Ireland should have done the same on that island too.

I suspect the rest of the world think prioritising political disunity over a plan for these small islands as one was a very silly error.

If somewhere doesn't have the case numbers then it shouldn't be in tier 3 or even in tier 2 if cases are low.
If we go for a national tier 3 then the economy is stuffed. So many businesses are on the edge of extinction.

 

[Healdplace]

I know that, but as I said this is not a decision I have to make. All I can say is what I see as the best way to keep cases low until the vaccines arrive to save us. Hopefully.

But as I said earlier lives v livelihoods are an impossible choice and glad I don't have to make it as it is a no win scenario whatever you do.

 

[ganganvince]

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations 2020

These Regulations impose restrictions on gatherings and on businesses in England. Areas which are not specified in Schedule 4 are subject to the restrictions set out in Schedule 1. Areas specified in Part 1 of Schedule 4 (those areas in Tier 2) are subject to the restrictions set out in Schedule...

www.legislation.gov.uk

 

[twosips]

I'll be honest, I find this kind of disturbing. I will be taking any vaccines, but there are tonnes of issues with this kind of rhetoric. Not a fan of this step towards health passports. Not even far off what happens in China and the social credit stuff...

 

[Len Rum]

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us

The world has bet the farm on vaccines as the solution to the pandemic, but the trials are not focused on answering the questions many might assume they are. Peter Doshi reports As phase III trials of covid-19 vaccines reach their target enrolments, officials have been trying to project calm...

www.bmj.com

'ckin Ada that doesn't sound good.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Rita Ora apologises for getting caught?

 

[domalino]

I'll be honest, I find this kind of disturbing. I will be taking any vaccines, but there are tonnes of issues with this kind of rhetoric. Not a fan of this step towards health passports. Not even far off what happens in China and the social credit stuff...

I don't know why you have a problem with it.

No one is going to force you to have a vaccine, but that doesn't mean you're free from any and all consequences of that.

Just like I don't have to have a yellow fever vaccine, but if I don't get one, I can't go to half of Africa or South America.


I would be absolutely amazed if being vaccinated is not immediately a requirement to travel to any country.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Rita Ora apologises for getting caught?

It was a pathetic attempt too. Her agents and publicists done their best, but fooling no one.

 

[twosips]

I don't know why you have a problem with it.

No one is going to force you to have a vaccine, but that doesn't mean you're free from any and all consequences of that.

Just like I don't have to have a yellow fever vaccine, but if I do, I can't go to half of Africa or South America.

Why should some idiot anti-vaxxers get to put people at risk of dying everywhere they go?

Really? You can't see the pretty nasty potential of health passports? It's a huge, huge slippery slope. Are we gonna ban anyone who hasn't had the MMR vaccine too? Or any of the others that are all voluntary and often used? I expect it will happen on overseas flights, yep. I just don't see coercion as a sensible tactic. It's quite a dangerous one tbh.

Edit - once again, I will be taking any vaccines. It's not about trust in them. Just don't want our country to take one more step towards the shite you see in China.

 

[Manc in London]

I'll be honest, I find this kind of disturbing. I will be taking any vaccines, but there are tonnes of issues with this kind of rhetoric. Not a fan of this step towards health passports. Not even far off what happens in China and the social credit stuff...

No 'nudging', just full on pushing people towards having the vaccination. Not sure what I think of that.

I'll be having the vaccine. A small price to pay to be injected with Bill Gates' microchips that encourage me to buy a Windows-based phone.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It was a pathetic attempt too. Her agents and publicists done their best, but fooling no one.

Her Mum is a NHS doc? Selfish in the extreme.

 

[inchy14]

I don't know why you have a problem with it.

No one is going to force you to have a vaccine, but that doesn't mean you're free from any and all consequences of that.

Just like I don't have to have a yellow fever vaccine, but if I don't get one, I can't go to half of Africa or South America.


I would be absolutely amazed if being vaccinated is not immediately a requirement to travel to any country.

But you can go to your local restaurant though can’t you.
Threats of not being allowed in your local etc won’t help in the conspiracy theory group being swayed.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Really? You can't see the pretty nasty potential of health passports? It's a huge, huge slippery slope. Are we gonna ban anyone who hasn't had the MMR vaccine too? Or any of the others that are all voluntary and often used? I expect it will happen on overseas flights, yep. I just don't see coercion as a sensible tactic. It's quite a dangerous one tbh.

Edit - once again, I will be taking any vaccines. It's not about trust in them. Just don't want our country to take one more step towards the shite you see in China.

But the point is compulsory vaccinations for some highly dangerous infectious diseases for int travel already exist. This isnt anything new.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

I don't know why you have a problem with it.

No one is going to force you to have a vaccine, but that doesn't mean you're free from any and all consequences of that.

Just like I don't have to have a yellow fever vaccine, but if I don't get one, I can't go to half of Africa or South America.


I would be absolutely amazed if being vaccinated is not immediately a requirement to travel to any country.

I think if this summer taught us anything, it's that dickheads will be dickheads. You can't treat the public with kid gloves, nor can you expect them to act responsibly. You can only stop them from causing harm, to themselves and others.

 

[twosips]

But you can go to your local restaurant though can’t you.
Threats of not being allowed in your local etc won’t help in the conspiracy theory group being swayed.

Exactly. This kind of stuff will convert probably loads into conspiracy theorists. We literally do not need to vaccinate the whole country. Saw a poll that said over 60% will take it anyway immediately. That's easily enough, given how much its undoubtedly spread, to read herd immunity and stop it. Don't see the point in turning millions into conspiracy theorists by blackmailing them.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

But you can go to your local restaurant though can’t you.
Threats of not being allowed in your local etc won’t help in the conspiracy theory group being swayed.

You can't compare a full stadium or even a full cinema with a restaurant.

 

[twosips]

But the point is compulsory vaccinations for some highly dangerous infectious diseases for int travel already exist. This isnt anything new.

Indeed, but when was the last time you had to get a health passport out at your local cinema? It's clearly very different.

 

[domalino]

Really? You can't see the pretty nasty potential of health passports? It's a huge, huge slippery slope. Are we gonna ban anyone who hasn't had the MMR vaccine too? Or any of the others that are all voluntary and often used? I expect it will happen on overseas flights, yep. I just don't see coercion as a sensible tactic. It's quite a dangerous one tbh.

You know France, Germany and Italy have made the MMR vaccine mandatory and they haven't descended into a dystopia yet, the only side effect is less kids getting killed and maimed by measles.

If uptake rates in this country continue to drop, it will likely become mandatory here, because measles outbreaks are becoming more and more common.

And the problem is, not everyone who gets a vaccine is immune, so everyone who doesn't get a vaccine is putting other people's lives at risk.

 

[mosssideblue]

Rita Ora apologises for getting caught?

Exactly. Really need to come down hard on these people

 

[domalino]

Indeed, but when was the last time you had to get a health passport out at your local cinema? It's clearly very different.

When was the last time the entire world was shut down by a virus, killing millions of people and putting the world into the biggest depression/recession in history?

We aren't living in normal times.