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Manc in London said:
Are people still harping on about how Londoners have been given everything on a plate during the pandemic? It's very boring and a massive piece of horseshit.

Can you please list all these benefits Londoners have had during the pandemic, that have not applied to any other region?


Rather selfishly, as I do not own a business, I am happy for London to go into Tier 3. Those who move into Tier 2 from 3, will soon realise that the difference is marginal at best. If people think it will have a significant impact on their quality of life they will be shocked. Maybe they should ask themselves if the extra positive cases, ICU patients and deaths are worth it.
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I have no great desire to be in tier 2. But I wouldn’t agree the difference is marginal. My children aged 18 and 20 are desperate to go for a meal, go to the cinema, see a play, go bowling, go to the pub even if it is just with us. They are bored stiff. They both work full time and see pictures on social media of their student friends in other areas out and about.
 
Nearly all the secondary schools in Basildon have moved to full remote education, Essex County Council (ECC) has said.

An ECC spokesman said: "As of today, eight of the nine secondary schools in Basildon district are operating a full remote education offer.

"Seventeen primary schools out of 48 in the Basildon district, have now moved to a full remote education offer.

"No school is closed, all the schools are offering a full or partial remote education offer.

"Even though a school might be offering a fully remote education offer, they will still be open for on-site teaching for vulnerable children and those of essential workers
 
Manc in London said:
Once again, please list the benefits Londoners have had that others in all other regions have not. Of course, if you are going to refer to data, then maybe you should highlight positive cases per 100,000 for the elderly and other info relating to the other criteria that were used to decide the tiers.
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Some seem hell bent to prove there is a north/south divide on rules.
 
Welsh minister seems very pessimistic about the mess they are in.

Reports over 14,000 cases in the past 7 days (which if you upped that by population to England would be about 38,000 a day - more than double what England is getting).

And that over 2000 are now in hospital with suspected Covid. The maximum in wave 1 was under 1000.

Again up that to England and you would be talking 38,000 or so in hospital when currently there are under 14,000.

These numbers reveal the extent of the big concerns in Wales. With the Christmas break still happening there.
 
artfuldodger said:
I have no great desire to be in tier 2. But I wouldn’t agree the difference is marginal. My children aged 18 and 20 are desperate to go for a meal, go to the cinema, see a play, go bowling, go to the pub even if it is just with us. They are bored stiff. They both work full time and see pictures on social media of their student friends in other areas out and about.
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As long as you are prepared to have to book for very limited places, only able to go to these places with others in your household, pay jacked up prices, no armosphere (NB there are barely any new films out at the moment) and restrictions that make the experience joyless. Choice is also likely to be limited if our experience down here is reflected where you live, with many businesses not opening. Not to mention, some having to close at short notice as staff have been pinged by contract tracing or they become ill.

All of this for an increase in number of those infected, ICU patients and deaths.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Some seem hell bent to prove there is a north/south divide on rules.
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Yep and they provide no evidence. It should be noted that I am a parochial northerner living down south.

I do find it surprising that so many are surprised that London has been in a lower tier when over the last few months, London have had just a fraction of deaths in the NW region.
 
Manc in London said:
As long as you are prepared to have to book for very limited places, only able to go to these places with others in your household, pay jacked up prices, no armosphere (NB there are barely any new films out at the moment) and restrictions that make the experience joyless. Choice is also likely to be limited if our experience down here is reflected where you live, with many businesses not opening. Not to mention, some having to close at short notice as staff have been pinged by contract tracing or they become ill.

All of this for an increase in number of those infected, ICU patients and deaths.
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We know what it’s like. We’ve been in it before. its crap. But not as crap as tier 3, especially if you are young. My daughters passion is drama. Indoor groups can only operate for under 18s in tier 3. So she has to do her drama classes on zoom, whilst the rest of the group (bar 2 others who are 18) can meet up every week for classes. Crazy. But like I said, I’m happy to stay in tier 3 and have no reason to think London is getting special treatment.
 
Manc in London said:
Yep and they provide no evidence. It should be noted that I am a parochial northerner living down south.

I do find it surprising that so many are surprised that London has been in a lower tier when over the last few months, London have had just a fraction of deaths in the NW region.
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Yeah yeah we know you listen to Chas and Dave on repeat and scoff jellied eels whenever you get a second to spare ;-)
 
England hospital deaths 179 with 23 from NW. Always low on Mondays as it is Sunday data.

This is down a little from last week but the NW total is up again and higher than any of the past three weeks. Hopefully just better weekend recording.
 
England hospital deaths 3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v TODAY Total/NW Total/ NW % of total

178 / 19 / 11%

183 / 19 / 10%

190 / 15 / 11%

179 / 23 / 13% TODAY
 
More on the 179 England hospital deaths:

Ages 10 aged 40 - 59, 64 aged 60 - 79 and 105 aged 80+

Aside from the 23 NW deaths other regions 56 Midlands, 32 NE & Yorks, 27 South East, 13 London

11 died in Lincolnshire hospitals, 9 East Kent and North Midlands. 4 in Salford Royal most in GM.
 
artfuldodger said:
We know what it’s like. We’ve been in it before. its crap. But not as crap as tier 3, especially if you are young. My daughters passion is drama. Indoor groups can only operate for under 18s in tier 3. So she has to do her drama classes on zoom, whilst the rest of the group (bar 2 others who are 18) can meet up every week for classes. Crazy. But like I said, I’m happy to stay in tier 3 and have no reason to think London is getting special treatment.
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Fair enough, mate.

Yeah, it's tough for the youngsters. I have an 11 Yr old who basically missed the last four months of primary and is now at a secondary where she only knew two others (she does not like either of them). At a time when she needs to be spending time with others to make friendships, there are no after school activities due to the pandemic, she cannot go to the houses of others and the school only have 30mins lunch breaks (including eating). Now she is having to learn from home.

Regardless of the debates about tiers, this is a massive shit show that I am sure we will all happily see come to an end.
 
Healdplace said:
Yes day to day comparisons from week to week are best and 6.7 v 7.6 is quite a rise.

As for vaccinations my long term friend will be one of the first to get offered it in Manchester I trust. Given she is over 80 and has asthma, her son died from asthma as a young man, she was in hospital this time last year and nearly died from pneumonia and is in heart failure.

She just got a letter which she hoped was the news of an appointment. But it was from the government suggesting she take advantage of their free Vitamin D plan for the coming winter (which I thought started weeks ago?) - and given her problems is something she has been taking daily for years on prescription.

So if they cannot even coordinate that between government and GPs I am not optimistic they can get home vaccinating of the most vulnerable right.

Indeed it took them nearly two months to put her on the at risk list and offer food hampers but which - given that the alternative was not eating for weeks - she by then did not need as I was helping her to order food on line since nothing had happened for so long.

She politely told them she did not need them. EIGHT TIMES. They promised to stop the service but still kept bringing them in boxes and dumping them on her doorstep week after week until the service ended. We got a local charity finally to pick them up and use them. But for weeks anyone walking by was just taking stuff out of them.

Goodness knows how many people who really needed them ended up without because they could not enforce a simple request to stop sending them to those who didn't.
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That sounds like a completely unnecessary shambles. I hope your friend hears soon, it'd be a peace of mind for her with everything else which she's going through.
 
Ric said:
Looks like London is going into Tier 3, as expected.
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Wow - the impact on our economy with this happening over Xmas is simply huge. We can’t get that vaccine out to people quick enough.
 
Wales data 3 wks v 2 wks v last week v TODAY

9d - 892c - 1160p - 74v

3d - 802c - 1129p - 65v

2d - 2021c - 1199p - 76v

33d - 1228c - 1385p* - 82v* TODAY * Latest figures from last Friday. According to Welsh Minister big rise since.
 
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