COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Dr Paul Chrisp, director of the centre for guidelines at NICE, said: "While there is insufficient evidence to recommend vitamin D for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 at this time, we encourage people to follow government advice on taking the supplement throughout the winter period"
Id say this is a media misrepresentation to be honest. All he seems to be saying is there is no double blind trial evidence and more research is needed.

but there is tons of observational evidence out there that it does help.
 
If people want to be wild and have a meal out the world won’t end. Utter bollocks as usual from the government especially as they moved Liverpool to tier 2 with very similar numbers to ours now.
Its not the sensible ones going for a meal that are a problem,its the groups of bell ends crossing borders/Tiers to go on the piss in an area thats half an hour away.

Even writing that.....it sounds utterly mental.
 
Other England hospital data:

Age ranges of the 340 deaths : 15 aged 40 - 59, 121 aged 60 - 79 and 204 aged 80 +

27 deaths in Barking hospitals, 20 in Dartford, 13 in Luton, 13 in North Midlands and 11 in Medway only double figures

Highest in NW was 7 in Liverpool, 7 in East Lancashire and 6 in Salford Royal.
 
Its not the sensible ones going for a meal that are a problem,its the groups of bell ends crossing borders/Tiers to go on the piss in an area thats half an hour away.

Even writing that.....it sounds utterly mental.
True. The only worry is there will now be more people meeting in houses especially this time of year and after many expecting to have been moved into tier 2. Obviously people mixing more in houses is worse than meals out.
 
Priti Patel informs those living in tier 3 areas NOT to visit tier 1 or 2 at Christmas.

Andy Burnham says they have over compensated by not releasing areas from tier 3 that clearly should have been to pay for their error of allowing too much freedom over Christmas.

Now is not the time to play politics with lives at stake and the economy tanking but when this is over (hopefully sooner rather than later) there is going to be big upheavals in society caused by what has happened.

The aftermath might in some ways be even bloodier I am afraid.

Many are going to have taken deeply entrenched sides here and there will be huge divides created at a time when the whole country will need to pull together to try to get Britain back in any kind of shape.

Already concerned the cure might be almost as bad as the disease metaphorically.
 
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Id say this is a media misrepresentation to be honest. All he seems to be saying is there is no double blind trial evidence and more research is needed.

but there is tons of observational evidence out there that it does help.
Nice have a high threshold before they will pass something for use , there just isnt enough evidence at the moment but as has been said by me and others all the experts have said for years that we should take it , especially in winter
 
True. The only worry is there will now be more people meeting in houses especially this time of year and after many expecting to have been moved into tier 2. Obviously people mixing more in houses is worse than meals out.
Agreed,unfortunately,despite advice and instruction to the contrary,people are going to put their own needs/selfishness above what is in the best interest of society.They will get away with it too,because it will be impossible to prevent.

So much could have been done better.
 
he would say black was white just to criticise.
I actually think he’s correct. If this was October Manchester would be tier 2.

It’s a compromise basically, either we get tier 3 and can see loved ones at Christmas or we get tier 2 and pubs open, but we can only go with our own households.

they’ve gone for option one.
 
There is so much wrong with what is happening that it is hard to criticise as it seems like party politics.

But it is not about what party says this or that. The only things that really matters right now is competence and swiftness of action in enacting decisions.

I would not care if the Martians were running the UK if they did these things wisely.

Unfortunately whoever you vote for it is hard to see much competence in things that happen almost anywhere you look around the UK these days.

I do hope we find some soon from somewhere. As we are going to need it in spades in the months and years ahead.

My biggest regret is that they did not create a war cabinet early in the pandemic and used that to pool ideas and determine the best way forward. I think it became too political because it took too long to realise this was a UK national crisis not just another political football to kick around Westminster and blame the other lot.
 
There is so much wrong with what is happening that it is hard to criticise as it seems like party politics.

But it is not about what party says this or that. The only things that really matters right now is competence and swiftness of action in enacting decisions.

I would not care if the Martians were running the UK if they did these things wisely.

Unfortunately whoever you vote for it is hard to see much competence in things that happen almost anywhere you look around the UK these days.

I do hope we find some soon from somewhere. As we are going to need it in spades in the months and years ahead.

you better ring those Martians , they couldn’t be worse
 
Andy Burnham:- 'It feels like if the north has rising cases, the north goes under restrictions. If London and the South east has rising cases, everyone stays under restrictions.'
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He is right it does FEEL that way - even if it isn't. And the big problem it creates - true or not - is that when the inevitable national lockdown is created after Christmas it will be used to prove that was right.

Even if he isn't.

Tiers drive division in society as well as entice disobedience to infect other areas by accident or design.

I would be amazed if they do not get this so I am baffled why they are doing it this way when it is visibly splitting the nation into an increasing number of disenfranchised areas who are seeing those who bring numbers down get no reward So why should they bother trying now when asked?

If it was a national lockdown the whole country benefits from acting wisely. Reward is equitable. Right now reward looks political, That is no way to get the public to do very hard things.
 
Tier 3 had seeminly worked here, Liverpool and in the North East though hasn’t it? Bringing numbers down and sustaining them down.

The virus this time round seems to spike in certain areas, the national circuit breakers in NI and Wales didn’t work.
 
Not at all accurate actually but a common impression that many have. Some links in this post -> COVID-19 — Coronavirus

haha, who are these scientists - the same ones that worked for the tobacco companies and lied about the cancer they knew it would give us? The same ones that work in institutions fully funded by the carbon fuel industry that warn of the grave dangers of nuclear - in a scenario where over 7 million people are killed annually by the pollution from gas and coal fired energy generation and we’d need to have 10 nuclear plant melt downs a day to even approach similar annual deaths from nuclear?
There are always scientists that will give opinions to support major industries - that’s why we’ve killed off most of the insects and ruined most of our soil.
The fact is that many “scientific opinions“ are poorly researched and lacking in hard scientific data - just deliberate faff to support a counter argument to keep something bad going on so that industries can continue to make money (often while people continue to to be injured and to die) hence I only ever take notice of fully independent science that’s back by data from robust and repeated studies.

Anyhow, I read it, and I thank you for it, but I’m not convinced.
In fact I had a laugh at that “the way the seats are laid out” line (as if the planes have 1 line of seats down the middle separated by 2.5 metres) because we all know that the seats are as close as they can possibly get them, to minimise separation and maximise close proximity. They do, of course, lay out their seating for best profit not for viral separation!
And even if the risk on board is less than we might imagine, even if flying cramped up were to be magically and perfectly safe (due to a helpful dose of Lilly the Pink’s medicinal compound) there are still obvious risks that you avoid by not getting on a plane, there are the boarding queues at both ends, the baggage collection queues at both ends, the air that you breath and share in the departure lounges while your plane suffers a 4 hour delay due to unexplained technical issues.

I‘ve not a clue how old you are but I remember when smoking was allowed at the back of planes. I once got stuck on a flight about 5 rows in front of the smokers - I was about 4 or so metres from the blue cloud at the back, sat in clear looking air, and the crew had the air con going full whack, but I was still choking, from it and my eyes were stinging after less than 30 minutes, so not everything goes through a hepa filter - some of it goes straight into your lungs, onto your skin, into your eyes and into your clothes - from 5 rows away.

If you can remember how your clothes stank and your eyes smarted after time spent anywhere near smokers, then take that knowledge and combine it with your knowledge that a virus has no discernible smell or taste - the smoke that you suffered from was only breathed out lung air with something in it that made you appreciate how it spread out and how everybody got a share.
I‘ve flown a lot down the years are often caught a cold on the plane - covid is much more virulent.

I‘m not having a pop at you or anyone, only explaining how I come to have my opinion and, while I obviously don’t agree with it, I respect that you have yours.
You might have enthusiasm for the cattle run through a couple of airports, the busses between terminals and even out to planes, the snaking claustrophobic queues for customs etc. but it remains firmly on my don’t do list.

Finally, sorry to ramble on, it’s a very valid and engaging topic but I found myself stood on a soapbox for a couple of minutes and even managed to bore myself when I read back through

Happy flying.
 
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There is so much wrong with what is happening that it is hard to criticise as it seems like party politics.

But it is not about what party says this or that. The only things that really matters right now is competence and swiftness of action in enacting decisions.

I would not care if the Martians were running the UK if they did these things wisely.

Unfortunately whoever you vote for it is hard to see much competence in things that happen almost anywhere you look around the UK these days.

I do hope we find some soon from somewhere. As we are going to need it in spades in the months and years ahead.

My biggest regret is that they did not create a war cabinet early in the pandemic and used that to pool ideas and determine the best way forward. I think it became too political because it took too long to realise this was a UK national crisis not just another political football to kick around Westminster and blame the other lot.
Nail on the head. There should have been an all-party war cabinet from day one. The biggest issue for me has been the slowness of the response all the way through and the failure to learn lessons from other countries. Our structure of government is not fit for purpose. It is like something from the 1960s with too many politicians, very slow decision-making, and a London-centric approach.
The other issue has a been a totally disastrous communications campaign. The messaging has been hopeless and not integrated properly across different channels to reach the widest audience.
For me, it's not a party-political issue. I think Labour would have been equally incompetent.
 
Tier 3 had seeminly worked here, Liverpool and in the North East though hasn’t it? Bringing numbers down and sustaining them down.

The virus this time round seems to spike in certain areas, the national circuit breakers in NI and Wales didn’t work.

liverpool tier 2 mate .

numbers no worse than Manchester but never fell out with the govt.

only difference.
 
Tier 3 had seeminly worked here, Liverpool and in the North East though hasn’t it? Bringing numbers down and sustaining them down.

The virus this time round seems to spike in certain areas, the national circuit breakers in NI and Wales didn’t work.
Here are 7 day comparisons from 28 Sep through to mid Dec (last date we have full data) LIverpool v Manchester

See if you can tell whether tier 2 or 3 worked.

LIVERPOOL v MANCHESTER


281 v 599

592 v 502

576 v 403

527 v 576

318 v 493

259 v 520

282 v 375

156 v 280

101 v 184

82 v 155

93 v 172

104 v 176


As you can see they track very similarly up and down from the rise late Sep / early Oct when student numbers spiked both cities. Different measures since but similar tracks down, plateau and then up.

Also bear in mind that Manchester has a higher population than Liverpool so it is expected to have more cases and if 100 happen in Liverpool the Pop Score there rises by more than in Manchester for that reason.

So the gap in numbers is in meaningful terms less than the raw numbers suggest.

Liverpool has lower numbers than Manchester by a small margin but it is not as drastic as inferred nor as obviously impacted in any meaningful way by the mass testing they took on that is used to praise them and suggest it is why they are in tier 2. The jury is out on that one.
 
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