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Long term health costs being buried in all this short term focus.

Lockdown costs us money, but we need to adapt today to save us a massive health bill in future years.

Vaccines prevent serious cases and death. We'll still be getting infections for some time.

Covid, or 'long covid' (not just people who can't do anything) is going to take people out of the work force, they will require financial support. Others will have worse health in the future.

Everyone is going to need treating. More cases, worse population health. More treatment in the future.

I can't honestly tell you how the economic cost today stacks up against the economic cost in the future. But we're stacking up the costs one way of the other.

What I can do is ask people to consider the human cost in the future for people who have lost some of their health.

The emphasis for me is clearly on individuals to get used to being productive and fulfilled without making constant journeys in cars.

Fuel revenue reciepts now make the Chancellor's next bailout easier for him to justify, but they equal more spreading and worse air quality, and very definitely worse health in areas that would seem very closely related to COVID outcomes.

Regardless, it's one area where we can make improvements in general health of the population. Remember Ella Kisi-Debarah? She didn't even need covid.

Cmon kids. Adapt. Get your web projects going. Build and sell from home. Get ready for the way of the future. This isn't going away like people have been allowed to think. In April, people understood that. We've allowed ourselves to backslide into the comfortable old ways. Vaccines are not a panacea. There is no panacea. No magic potion.

Our way of life was always less healthy than it could have been - covid exposes prexisting weaknesses in societal health, and as long as we cling to them, especially at this moment, we'll end up paying in the years that follow.
 


Interesting thread. Scary but also reassuring at the same time. Basically concern over the South African variant in particular being capable of evading vaccine, but highlights IF, and repeat IF this turns out to be the case it'll weaken the efficacy of the vaccine rather than render it altogether useless.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Let's be fair here. We only got the vaccine a few days ago it's not like we knew it was coming our way several months ago was it and could get everyone trained in time.
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There was no guarantee that the Oxford vaccine would be approved till two weeks ago. That said the people to do vaccinations should have been recruited and trained startibg a month ago.
That said there's only one country in the world that has delivered and that's Israel. And were doing far better than other countries in Europe. France is a shambles and Spain hasn't started yet.
 
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Keith Moncrieff said:
The EU are currently making a pigs ear out of the vaccination rollout. The general public in France don’t fancy having it, imo were doing a decent job in the U.K. compared to most countries. Only Israel have a better record
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The EU won’t be in charge of vaccine roll out in France or the Frenchies being opposed to vaccination.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
I’d like to see every one of the bastards having to do this.
I’d also like them held to account for every lie, every bit of misinformation since the crisis started and for every penny spent of public money tackling it.
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Oh dear, just worry about the people that are in Hospitals or the people that have lost love ones, this isn't about politics FFS
 
Pedestrian said:
That’s part of the mandatory training for most folk working in the NHS. What’s your problem with 1/2 a days paid training to allow someone to administer a potentially fatal vaccine?
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I doubt he has one. Its the meaningless jobsworth paper work that is the issue. These people won't be working long term for the NHS.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
The EU won’t be in charge of vaccine roll out in France or the Frenchies being opposed to vaccination.
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The EU did the procurement, it was a complete disaster.

However the French Gov are going that slowely with their roll out the lack of supplies is irrelevent
 
Len Rum said:
I'd like to see Zahawi ( Vaccines Minister) or his boss Hancock at the press conference tonight to explain the vacine roll out programme - what is the plan, what are the difficulties and uncertainties, what are the timescales( aspirational,realistic, worse case).
I think the public would appreciate a degree of honesty and clarity on this.
The Govt have had enough time to work on it so they should share the details of the plan with the public.
If not tonight then a commitment from BoJo to give details to the House or in a future presser to be held soon.
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Totally agree.
Whats the plan?
How are they delivering it?
What are the current issues?
Have they sorted out the meaningless paperwork that vaccinators just DONT need?
 
Awful that they haven't included Nurseries in the school's shutdown, some people can still send their kids whilst they're sat at home .
Madness
 
I listened to the BBC NEws at 3pm on TV. They had a vaccine bulletin and it turns out that there are 20m doses of the vaccine in the UK but not in injectable form. Has to be filled in vials for example. Still sounds encouraging.
 
Well just back from work, what lockdown ?
Roads very busy, and a steady flow of people walking through the town. Nothing like the first lockdown where it took weeks to get use to being the only van on the road ! And the only people in town. No different to the last few months really, just minus the school kids ( probably cos of rain )

Yes more shops are shut but the usual second hand phone shop doing knock on the door.
 
Lockdown is midnight tonite i think , i expect people are doing last min things , like me , i went to the bank today, my town was very quiet though

Maybe employers are still wanting staff in that didnt first time , whole different ball game than the first , businesses are still on their knees from the first lockdown and through the tiers
 
Marvin said:
I listened to the BBC NEws at 3pm on TV. They had a vaccine bulletin and it turns out that there are 20m doses of the vaccine in the UK but not in injectable form. Has to be filled in vials for example. Still sounds encouraging.
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AZ/Oxford vaccine has a release schedule dependent on the usage. Will be available as required and paid for.
 
Claytop said:
Or some can still send them whilst they go to work, not to mention that it's nigh on impossible to effectively work from home with young children.
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I don't think the problem is with key workers needing childcare
 
Number of players and staff reported positive today,70, is double previous levels.
 
One for the doom mongers.

Increasing reports in the Us of doubts has to whether the vaccines will be able to counteract a strain of corona, which originates in South Africa.
 
KS55 said:
Number of players and staff reported positive today,70, is double previous levels.
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Concerned for this lot. Don't want to see their health represented as asset values and calculated actuarily and treated as acceptable collateral for the continued revenue. They're on fixed contracts, values amortized, and I worry that some pretty dubious calculations would transpire.
 
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