Political relations between UK-EU

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BobKowalski said:
You need all four freedoms for a Single Market, otherwise it’s not a Single Market and a FTA has nowhere near the same seamless access (as we are finding out) as a Single Market, especially on services because services is people, and FoM is about people.
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Thanks Bob, after four years in this thread I needed that clarification on the Four Freedoms, didn’t have a clue what it was until you’ve just informed me.
 
Ban-jani said:
We’ll survive and the country will be fine but I still don’t think it was worth it.

There are some that are needlessly negative though.
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Im sure we’ll survive, and I agree it wasn’t worth it, but I’m not sure the country will be fine. The real impact of the economic hit is yet to be seen, the divisions within our country will take a long time to heal and I think the chances of Ireland unifying are now greater than they have been in my lifetime.
 
metalblue said:
I doubt @SWP's back could kill someone when ordering a beer in pigeon Arabic but actually ends up ordering a glass of marbles instead. A nurse on the other hand not having a basic grasp of the language of the country they operate in could be quite dangerous and should be a minimum standard. Which is why it is part of the NNMC’s fitness to practice test (including crazy stuff like qualifications) prior to providing a pin to enable them to work.

Anyone working abroad and not choosing to learn the basics will just end up making life harder on themselves. I can’t describe the troubles I had when I first moved to the USA, I particularly recall one episode when trying to explain that someone was off ill when I said they “were poorly” I then had to explain that they did have enough money to get to work but they were in fact unwell but the damage was done.
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Turn up for the interview and cant communicate, no job.
Had jobs in France and Greece where i knew next to nothing language wise. Digging holes was one and breaking rocks was another so pointing and grunting usually worked fine.
Obviously , highly skilled team work that depends on flawless communication requires people to know the language properly.
In the context of the immigration bill, having to pass a language test is yet another barrier.

I remember moving schools from Manchester to Nottingham as a 13 year old. First question the PE teacher asked me was, 'What house are you in?''
Quick as a flash i replied, ''305 Bostocks Lane Sir.''
Oh how the changing rooms laughed..
 
Chris in London said:
Im sure we’ll survive, and I agree it wasn’t worth it, but I’m not sure the country will be fine. The real impact of the economic hit is yet to be seen, the divisions within our country will take a long time to heal and I think the chances of Ireland unifying are now greater than they have been in my lifetime.
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Things have already started to heal, ignoring Twitter and this sub forum, nobody in the street gives a fuck anymore, it’s all Covid and then it’ll be celebrating after Covid has fucked off.
 
More fishing woes...

'North-east fishing leaders are demanding urgent talks with the UK Government after likening the shambles created by Brexit to a “motorway crash”.

The new red tape also means that every box of fresh seafood and salmon has to be offloaded from lorries and inspected by vets before they leave Scotland – which can take up to five hours.’

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

'It’s like a motorway crash': Urgent meeting sought to resolve Brexit mess which has left fishing industry suffering huge losses

North-east fishing leaders are demanding urgent talks with the UK Government after likening the shambles created by Brexit to a "motorway crash". Michael
www.pressandjournal.co.uk www.pressandjournal.co.uk
 
BobKowalski said:
More fishing woes...

'North-east fishing leaders are demanding urgent talks with the UK Government after likening the shambles created by Brexit to a “motorway crash”.

The new red tape also means that every box of fresh seafood and salmon has to be offloaded from lorries and inspected by vets before they leave Scotland – which can take up to five hours.’

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

'It’s like a motorway crash': Urgent meeting sought to resolve Brexit mess which has left fishing industry suffering huge losses

North-east fishing leaders are demanding urgent talks with the UK Government after likening the shambles created by Brexit to a "motorway crash". Michael
www.pressandjournal.co.uk www.pressandjournal.co.uk
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I’ll bet they all voted to remain too. Gutted.
 
Ban-jani said:
Of course we were.

Why would I specify first language when talking about how wildly spread English is across the world?
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Well you might have been but how am i to know that unless you specify it?

When you say ''English is the most widely spoken language in the world.'' it gives no hint of your first language claim does it?

Anyroad, me chips are burning now so i'll have to pop off. See you tomorrow x
 
stonerblue said:
Well you might have been but how am i to know that unless you specify it?

When you say ''English is the most widely spoken language in the world.'' it gives no hint of your first language claim does it?

Anyroad, me chips are burning now so i'll have to pop off. See you tomorrow x
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See ya mate

Enjoy your chips
 
mcfc1632 said:
No - but there was a point last night where the discussion went 'inappropriate' IMO

So, quickly......

  • It is of course entirely on-topic to discuss the future of N.I on the Brexit thread - especially given how we ended up with the NIP
  • By extension - discussing the prospects of a united Ireland also is and therefore
  • The steps to achieving that also are
Did it need so many pages? Questionable - but hey many more pages are taken up on lesser topics

What I did not like was the response to your very balanced and poignant post about your personal experience as a youth and which you finished with a comment suggesting that, in the future, there is no room for violence in your opinion:



Maybe it was just me being sensitive - but it did jar with me to find on a Manchester based football forum a Irish Nationalist declaring that future violence was OK in their opinion to achieve unification.

As I say - maybe I was being over-sensitive (I had a team based on the 12th floor in 1996 - and some worked on Saturdays as well) - but people supporting violence to achieve the aim of unification - are IMHO 'off-topic' - it did indeed come across to me as if they had an agenda

Anyway - that was by way of explaining my 'irritation' - I am out of any further discussion on it - and would suggest that there should not be any (certainly not on this thread - I mean the use of violence not the topic of N.I.)
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That’s fair enough.
I’ll admit I thought your quip was aimed at other posters and what I was replying to in particular when berating you was;

‘The good news for me is that the way the thread seems to have merged with the Irish politics thread and people are debating immigration (again) suggests that this is another day where the apocalypse is stubbornly hiding’

That is specifically what I was referring to.
I’d suggest if you found @aguero93:20 needed further explaining you could debate that with him. Others were offering opinions on NI that regardless of Brexit opinions, were valid and logically argued.
And I don’t agree with them all. I was initially pointing out to you that they were valid arguments within the framework of this thread.

FWIW my own opinion on the post you say offended you is although it’s not my view, I didn’t take away from it that the poster was advocating violence. Merely that he would not shy away from action towards unification for fear of violence.

Only one way to find out for sure if interested. Ask the poster.
 
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Vic said:
Didn't workstream man say why he thought Frost's fish deal was so good? Well, no, but he did say we should all realise why it was obvious it was so good.
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To be fair - seeing as you are doing more goading.....

I did explain - but you were not able understand very basic and simple things
 
Ban-jani said:
You’ve just said you’d prefer a French nurse than a Somalian one, because the French one had learned English earlier in their life... and you think I am racist for supporting an immigration policy that requires an English test, that anyone can take and pass, from any nationality or colour?

Are you on glue?

Is Canada racist for having the same policy for years?
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Your patience knows no bounds
 
Ban-jani said:
You’ve just said you’d prefer a French nurse than a Somalian one, because the French one had learned English earlier in their life... and you think I am racist for supporting an immigration policy that requires an English test, that anyone can take and pass, from any nationality or colour?

Are you on glue?

Is Canada racist for having the same policy for years?
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I actually asked which you'd prefer...

Maybe it helps if I refine it and say I'd probably prefer a Somalian nurse who's been here 20 years and fluent than a French nurse who just managed to pass the English exam. It's not racist, it's risk management. Most clinical errors due to language barriers are because the patient is "foreign" (e.g. an English patient with no Arabic in a Middle East hospital) but it can work the other way: (from an Australian academic study):

"Miscommunication in the healthcare sector can be life-threatening. The rising number of migrant patients and foreign-trained staff means that communication errors between a healthcare practitioner and patient when one or both are speaking a second language are increasingly likely."

I was discriminating sensibly between being cared for by someone whose English is "to the required standard" and someone whose English is likely to be much better. Whereas (forget nursing) you expect the "required standard" from someone coming here to pick fruit (except it's not well paid enough).

The first Somalis I met were two children with no English who rolled up at a primary school where I was a governor. One was old enough to be at high school. I can't remember now how we communicated that day, but one of the lads stopped me in the street years later and reminded me who he was - and by then he was fluent and well "integrated".
 
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