Political relations between UK-EU

[meltonblue]

Sounds so familiar...

Doesn’t it just, I completely agree!

 

[meltonblue]

The union isn’t split but again what is the solution, normally 2 things would happen with a vote that the whole union partakes in.

Remain wins all stays the same leavers unlucky that’s democracy
Leave win U.K. spilts from Eu border goes up.

Now leave wins and we can’t put a border up so what do you suggest we do sack the whole thing? So we have a union where a very small minority decides for the whole U.K. guessing I reckon about 400,000 people in NI voted remain. So these 400,000 determine the future forever or until a time when a border becomes acceptable which may be never. So know we have one or two posters saying isn’t it bad that no one cares about NI, really?

Welsh remainers tough, Scottish remainers tough, English remainers tough that’s democracy. Northern Ireland citizens can pick their passports they can get a lot of the EU benefits even after the vote and the U.K. leaving.It’s seems like a pretty sweet deal to me.

Ask yourself who has lost the least out of this? And then ask yourself if it’s not a bit much to suggest Northern Ireland has been sold out.

Again, the answer to that depends if you’re truly a unionist or not.

 

[mcfc1632]

The union isn’t split but again what is the solution, normally 2 things would happen with a vote that the whole union partakes in.

Remain wins all stays the same leavers unlucky that’s democracy
Leave win U.K. spilts from Eu border goes up.

Now leave wins and we can’t put a border up so what do you suggest we do sack the whole thing? So we have a union where a very small minority decides for the whole U.K. guessing I reckon about 400,000 people in NI voted remain. So these 400,000 determine the future forever or until a time when a border becomes acceptable which may be never. So know we have one or two posters saying isn’t it bad that no one cares about NI, really?

Welsh remainers tough, Scottish remainers tough, English remainers tough that’s democracy. Northern Ireland citizens can pick their passports they can get a lot of the EU benefits even after the vote and the U.K. leaving.It’s seems like a pretty sweet deal to me.

Ask yourself who has lost the least out of this? And then ask yourself if it’s not a bit much to suggest Northern Ireland has been sold out.

I respectfully suggest that you have forgotten what we have learned over the years:

Irish Nationalism, Scottish Nationalism and EU 'nationalism' = something noble and to be greatly admired

English people showing a bit of care about what happens to them = Something to be decried and abhorred.

The truth is that Remainer May sold the whole of the UK out and her unfettered backstop deal committed the UK to vassalage in perpetuity

A lot on here were happy with that - strangely other English people were not - it had to be removed..

Like most English people I would think - I would/did not wish to see N.I. treated separately, but the truth is that the highly regrettable deal that has led to the NIP came about due to the actions of May in 2017-2019 in selling out the whole of the UK.

But it is late - I humbly suggest that this will make better reading than some of what you have been dealing with.

Brexit is a reality; the U.S. must act accordingly - Washington Times

But more importantly - I've never felt more like singing the blues......

Time to sleep happily

 

[hilts]

Again, the answer to that depends if you’re truly a unionist or not.

If you are not going to reply to a post properly outside of a meangless cliche don't bother mate. Some people have a serious problem when seeing things from the other side. If the people of Northern Ireland were a majority of unionists and that was accepted by the country as a whole in a democracy this debate wouldn't exist.

Life is complicated who knew. But in future I will make a point of considering the feelings of the good people of Northern Ireland with their dual passports. Dual parliaments. UK and eu membership in all but name. Why?
Because someone on bluemoon said no one cares about NI.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I respectfully suggest that you have forgotten what we have learned over the years:

Irish Nationalism, Scottish Nationalism and EU 'nationalism' = something noble and to be greatly admired

English people showing a bit of care about what happens to them = Something to be decried and abhorred.

The truth is that Remainer May sold the whole of the UK out and her unfettered backstop deal committed the UK to vassalage in perpetuity

A lot on here were happy with that - strangely other English people were not - it had to be removed..

Like most English people I would think - I would/did not wish to see N.I. treated separately, but the truth is that the highly regrettable deal that has led to the NIP came about due to the actions of May in 2017-2019 in selling out the whole of the UK.

But it is late - I humbly suggest that this will make better reading than some of what you have been dealing with.

Brexit is a reality; the U.S. must act accordingly - Washington Times

So is that what this is about?
English nationalism?

Just asking for a friend.

 

[meltonblue]

If you are not going to reply to a post properly outside of a meangless cliche don't bother mate. Some people have a serious problem when seeing things from the other side. If the people of Northern Ireland were a majority of unionists and that was accepted by the country as a whole in a democracy this debate wouldn't exist.

Life is complicated who knew. But in future I will make a point of considering the feelings of the good people of Northern Ireland with their dual passports. Dual parliaments. UK and eu membership in all but name. Why?
Because someone on bluemoon said no one cares about NI.

Honestly, I didn’t think it needed explaining any more than what I put as I thought the reason why was obvious. I’ll reply properly to you tomorrow though as I still think you’re arguing something I’m not and not understanding my main point.

 

[hilts]

Honestly, I didn’t think it needed explaining any more than what I put as I thought the reason why was obvious. I’ll reply properly to you tomorrow though as I still think you’re arguing something I’m not and not understanding my main point.

Ditto:-)

 

[mcfc1632]

So is that what this is about?
English nationalism?

Just asking for a friend.

Nope - not at all - where did you get that from? - there is really no such thing in reality - apart from a few dickheads

It 'was' about a Remainer being in charge of the negotiations to execute the mandate given by the UK electorate that the UK should leave the EU

It 'was' about the Remainer led government between 2017-2019 being so intent on doing that 'in name only' they were slavishly led up the garden path and controlled in the negotiations by the EU - resulting in the May WA being brought forward. That would have left the UK in vassal status in perpetuity

The UK electorate - although dominated by English voters - in 2019 rejected that - but a lot of damage was already done (the essentially May WA will be causing issues for years to come) and the NIP was a really unattractive compromise - but it came about due to the actions of May

Thankfully it is 'now' about the future of the UK outside the EU's controls - which is why I will seek to avoid getting dragged into the distractions that those unable to accept the reality of January 2021 seek to have dominate the thread(s) - not aimed at you at all.

But - anyway - night night

 

[BobKowalski]

So is that what this is about?
English nationalism?

Just asking for a friend.

Brexit is first and foremost about English nationalism, it‘s why NI was expendable and accounts for the hostility toward Scotland, which in turn feeds Scottish nationalism.

 

[BobKowalski]

So is that what this is about?
English nationalism?

Just asking for a friend.

I would also add, witnessing the scenes in the US with the far right entering the Capitol building and the death of one person, that a far right Brexit supporter murdered an MP during the referendum. The English nationalism that has infected our body politic is a particularly nasty strain.