Political relations between UK-EU

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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Its the health Insurance (travel insurance) thats the worse one. Trying to get cover for pre existing conditions on an extended stay is prohibitive.




No you cant .... you need the international licence.
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Yes... you can.

Visas for short trips: you do not need one if you’re a tourist​

If you’re a tourist, you do not need a visa for short trips to most EU countries, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland. You’ll be able to stay for up to 90 days in any 180-day period.

Different rules apply to Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus and Romania. If you visit these countries, visits to other EU countries do not count towards the 90-day total.

You may need a visa or permit to stay for longer, to work or study, or for business travel.
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www.gov.uk

Travel or do business in Europe: Brexit guidance

Find out how new Brexit rules apply to things like travelling, working, studying and doing business with Europe in or with EU countries.
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If you want to drive and you have the normal photo ID you are fine:

Driving in Europe​

You do not need an IDP to drive in the EU, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland or Liechtenstein if you have a photocard driving licence issued in the UK.

You might need an IDP to drive in some EUcountries and Norway if you have either:

  • a paper driving licence
  • a licence issued in Gibraltar, Guernsey, Jersey or the Isle of Man
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AlexWilliamsGloves said:
"ah well, NI doesnt affect me...they can always vote for re-unification if they want...looking forward to the match tonight?"
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Pretty much. Talking of re-unification I mentioned the other day about supply chains being reset to an all Ireland basis, pushing North and South together and detaching NI from GB. BBC reporting this today

‘Meanwhile the Food & Drink Federation say that if things remain as they are there will be re-engineering of GB-NI supply chains over the next 6 - 9 months.’

This will also apply to GB-EU supply chains and the freezing out of the UK where they can. Trade is a bit like water, if it finds obstacles in one channel it tends to seek out easier channels.
 
BobKowalski said:
Pretty much. Talking of re-unification I mentioned the other day about supply chains being reset to an all Ireland basis, pushing North and South together and detaching NI from GB. BBC reporting this today

‘Meanwhile the Food & Drink Federation say that if things remain as they are there will be re-engineering of GB-NI supply chains over the next 6 - 9 months.’

This will also apply to GB-EU supply chains and the freezing out of the UK where they can. Trade is a bit like water, if it finds obstacles in one channel it tends to seek out easier channels.
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Unsurprisingly the Brexiteers' claim that they needed us for the land bridge between continental Europe and Ireland has proven to be wishful thinking as more ferry routes are opening directly between France and Ireland. It's a 24 hour crossing which adds a few hours to the overall journey time but it mitigates the risks of holdups at Dover/Calais and at the Irish Sea ports. It also means no customs forms. No brainer for logistics firms.
 
the SNP leader asked Johnson what was he going to do to help the Scottish fishing industry in the manner that the EU is moving to help theirs - he was rewarded with a two minute waffle on the vaccination programme and Scottish nationalism..... the words fish or fishing never passed his lips as part of the answer
 
Vic said:
Whoosh.

I mean, it's gone over my head.

If the present situation is to blamed on mistakes and how it could all have been better with different work streams, and with real believers in charge, isn't that an admission that now and "looking forward" the situation is shit?
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Not surprised

and - No
 
meltonblue said:
I agree with your second paragraph but like has been said, Johnson had that choice and didn’t change it.

The provisional mandate is a world away from both the political declaration and the actual mandate for the future relationship.

Im fine with your point, just not with not blaming Johnson as much as May.
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See - we are not far apart - just a few of comments

a) I am no defender of Johnson - and you will not find any post from me positive about Johnson - other than - at least the switch from May to Johnson got Brexit done. I have often referred to him as a buffoon.

b) May/Robbins had put the UK in a shit position with what they had developed - but, I support the decision not to extend - it was essential.

The EU really really wanted to extend and extend and extend. At least the PD was dumped and the poisonous unfettered backstop jettisoned - which was essential. Does not change that May/Robbins had undermined the UK position to a very large extent due to their desire to stay closely aligned to the EU.

c) Respectfully, you are missing the point I was making on Mandates and how to set up a transformation programme. The provisional mandate was the 2015 GE election result - but Cameron did not allow the CO to commence the work. The mandate for commencing the transformation was confirmed in June 2016.

Any decisions in 2019 etc. are out of context and not relevant to when the transformation programme should have commenced.
 
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stonerblue said:
So you're to blame then? I presume that you worked on this after whoever you blame for the shitshow?
And can you let me know which group i'm in, save further confusion?
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TBF - they did not ask me to review Brexit preparations until the summer of 2018.

May was in charge then - but it was way too late and the scope, plans and progress quite superficial.

4) Normally on ignore
 
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mcfc1632 said:
See - we are not far apart - just a few of comments

a) I am no defender of Johnson - and you will not find any post from me positive about Johnson - other than - at least the switch from May to Johnson got Brexit done. I often referred to him as a buffoon.

b) May/Robbins had put the UK in a shit position with what they had developed - but I support the decision not to extend - it was essential. The EU really really wanted to extend and extend and extend. At least the PD was dumped and the poisonous unfettered backstop jettisoned - which was essential. Does not change that May/Robbins had undermined the UK position to a very large extent due to their desire to stay closely aligned to the EU.

c) Respectfully, you are missing the point I was making on Mandates and how to set up a transformation programme. The provisional mandate was the 2015 GE election result - but Cameron did not allow the CO to commence the work. The mandate for commencing the transformation was confirmed in June 2016.

Any decisions in 2019 etc. are out of context and not relevant to when the transformation programme should have commenced.
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Ah, so in that case, no, we’re not far off at all. On your point c, I agree. Ultimately, that not being there was the main reason I decided to vote the way I did as I had no evidence, and therefore no confidence, of what would be delivered or even how it would.

I get for some (well, a lot) of people that was a risk they were willing to take in the hope that the end result might align with their personal view of what they wanted. It wasn’t for me though, particularly knowing the party most likely to deliver it, if not the individuals.
 
meltonblue said:
Ah, so in that case, no, we’re not far off at all. On your point c, I agree. Ultimately, that not being there was the main reason I decided to vote the way I did as I had no evidence, and therefore no confidence, of what would be delivered or even how it would.

I get for some (well, a lot) of people that was a risk they were willing to take in the hope that the end result might align with their personal view of what they wanted. It wasn’t for me though, particularly knowing the party most likely to deliver it, if not the individuals.
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Just as an 'aside'

None of my comments in this exchange with you are particularly related to my stance as a staunch supporter of Leaving the EU.

In my role I have to be 'agnostic' - I would be making the same comments and holding Cameron, May, Hammond and Robbins accountable if I was a staunch Remain supporter.

That is because it was those individuals that were holding the levers of power at the time the correct decisions were needed - and they were incompetent.

I think that Johnson is a 'natural incompetent'.

The only credit I give him is for letting more able people direct matters - but it was damage limitation from Autumn 2019 onwards.

I am just amazed and glad with what resulted from that point.

I have a strong personal view as to why the EU ended up committing to the agreement they did.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Just as an 'aside'

None of my comments in this exchange with you are particularly related to my stance as a staunch supporter of Leaving the EU.

In my role I have to be 'agnostic' - I would be making the same comments and holding Cameron, May, Hammond and Robbins accountable if I was a staunch Remain supporter.

That is because it was those individuals that were holding the levers of power at the time the correct decisions were needed - and they were incompetent.

I think that Johnson is a 'natural incompetent'.

The only credit I give him is for letting more able people direct matters - but it was damage limitation from Autumn 2019 onwards.

I am just amazed and glad with what resulted from that point.

I have a strong personal view as to why the EU ended up committing to the agreement they did.
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Yes, we’re definitely aligned on most of that, just not the end consequences.
 
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penguins4kompany said:
Look youre obviously a bunch of fascists here, 2016 is irrelevant, you're making arguments for your own case. I don't care I had a salient point to make re trump but was denied by a ' fascist' moderator. I will admit I went ott with the Pelosi lynch inference which is what I presume got me barred, but youre just falling in line if you can warrant calls for trump to be struck down on similar levels on a daily basis. Double standards.
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Sadly, this is far from being the most unintelligible contribution to this thread, nor even the most irrelevant.
 
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It’s been a long couple of weeks and I just wish we could rejoin the EU
I mean since we left we have gone into lockdown, Can’t go to pub, kids are off school, it’s been really cold and now it’s raining as well
Boris never told me this on the side of his bus
I miss the good old days!
 
at some stage people will have to acknowledge how wrong they were - not the ultra's of course - as was said from the outset when it goes to shit, costs jobs, destroys industry then it will be the manner of implementation that is blamed not the fact that Brexit was always an unachievable rwnj wet dream in a modern integrated world

 
un-be-fucking-lieveable - these two faced snakes were holding up fishing as their totem when really not giving a tinkers cuss - I do hope people in the fishing industry, the fish processing industry, hauliers, people who work in boatyards and their kids who see their parents lives fucked over by this lot have very long memories



 
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