Political relations between UK-EU

[BobKowalski]

Oh my word you lot are funny.

Johnson is a bad liar yes, look at his private life... but he’s absolutely nothing like Trump.

And the reason May was, not going to repeat your sexist phrase about a female leader, cosying up to America is because they are our greatest allies and the most powerful and committed NATO member.

What did you want, Corbyn telling America to get fucked ?

What do you think would have happened then?

Biden doesn’t know what day it is, he’s preferable to Trump because he’s not a big fat fascist. He doesn’t like Britain much and never has Biden.

If you think the UK government is fascist then you should pack up politics as you haven’t a clue what you’re on about.

Funny how you’ve not tackled the list yourself presented by fellow delusional @ificouldjust.

I would have preferred Merkel’s approach, cool, but polite. Not dissimilar to her approach to Johnson come to think of it.

But, no we had to rush over there, taking the knee and gushing at how wonderful Trump was and how great he would be for Brexit Britain. Gove slobbered over him, Rees-Mogg ditto. Johnson wouldn’t even back our own Ambassador over Trump. Pathetic doesn’t even cover it. They wanted to bask in his reflected ‘glory’ and Trump’s ‘lie big, lie often’ approach was a natural fit for Johnson. As was Trump’s incompetence.

 

[Ban-jani]

I would have preferred Merkel’s approach, cool, but polite. Not dissimilar to her approach to Johnson come to think of it.

But, no we had to rush over there, taking the knee and gushing at how wonderful Trump was and how great he would be for Brexit Britain. Gove slobbered over him, Rees-Mogg ditto. Johnson wouldn’t even back our own Ambassador over Trump. Pathetic doesn’t even cover it. They wanted to bask in his reflected ‘glory’ and Trump’s ‘lie big, lie often’ approach was a natural fit for Johnson. As was Trump’s incompetence.

What about Macron and his buddy buddy with Trump?

They were practically best mates for a period of time weren’t they?

The reason the UK and French governments rolled out the carpets for him was simple, the US is so incredibly important historically to both nations, and is incredibly important now, in terms of our future trade and security, that if you can get the President on side, even if he is a grotesque racist fucker, you help your own country hugely.

Is that the decent thing to do? No of course not but in politics you often have to hold your nose to improve the situation for you own country.

He could have criticised Trump from the beginning, weakened NATO, ruined our chances of a trade deal and made our country worse off and more insecure. Is that what you want?

Johnson hasn’t been all over Trump at all, Trump seems to like him more than the other way around and I’ve not heard Johnson mention him for a long time.

Unfortunately, some people, like you, think it will help their argument to compare the two as much as possible, even if there are significant differences to everything they do, including policy.

The only thing they have in common is lying and stupid blonde hair and they’re certainly not alone in the political arena, even if Johnson seems incapable of telling the truth less than other politicians

 

[west didsblue]

I would have preferred Merkel’s approach, cool, but polite. Not dissimilar to her approach to Johnson come to think of it.

But, no we had to rush over there, taking the knee and gushing at how wonderful Trump was and how great he would be for Brexit Britain. Gove slobbered over him, Rees-Mogg ditto. Johnson wouldn’t even back our own Ambassador over Trump. Pathetic doesn’t even cover it. They wanted to bask in his reflected ‘glory’ and Trump’s ‘lie big, lie often’ approach was a natural fit for Johnson. As was Trump’s incompetence.

Not to mention the fact that our whole approach to the Brexit negotiations was based on a stupid gamble that Trump would win, we could tell the EU to fuck off and get a trade deal with the USA. Seems not quite a coincidence that our approach changed almost overnight when it became clear Trump had lost.

 

[mcfc1632]

We are 3 working days into this ..... just 3 and today starting the 4th .... 2 in Scotland . Its already looking like a shit show

This is of course just desperately wishful thinking - IMO - likely borne out of frustration that 'all of a sudden - nothing happened'

After years of promising an apocalypse, I can understand that it must be very frustrating that the vast majority of the population are not hearing or thinking about 'shitshow' outcomes from Brexit and it is quickly receding into the 'so what' category.

 

[mcfc1632]

I would also add, witnessing the scenes in the US with the far right entering the Capitol building and the death of one person, that a far right Brexit supporter murdered an MP during the referendum. The English nationalism that has infected our body politic is a particularly nasty strain.

I would respectfully suggest that you are in danger diverting the thread from its purpose of discussing the political relations between the UK and the EU following the increasingly smooth end of the transition period. Unintentionally I am sure.

I am sure that you would not wish to come across as if you are seeking to smear Brexit supporters through association with the actions of a lone nutter with right wing tendencies - perhaps the better thread to discuss that topic would be:

The Rise of the Far Right | Page 37 | Bluemoon - the leading Manchester City forum (bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk)

 

[mcfc1632]

Johnson is a clone of Trump, the bluster, the lies, the refusal to take responsibility, Patel is our version of Trump’s Stephen Miller. For four years the Govt, including under May, have been on their knees sucking Trump’s dick.

Biden himself views Johnson as a Trump like creature.

If we can see fascism across the pond, then we shouldn’t be blind to our own version.

Yep - definitely on the wrong thread - don't you think

Surely should be either the far right thread or:

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson | Page 1336 | Bluemoon - the leading Manchester City forum (bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk)

Getting this thread back on topic:

There are reports today suggesting that the FTSE is set to achieve record new highs in 2021

Oh - and still all quiet on the Dover front

 

[mcfc1632]

I would have preferred Merkel’s approach, cool, but polite. Not dissimilar to her approach to Johnson come to think of it.

But, no we had to rush over there, taking the knee and gushing at how wonderful Trump was and how great he would be for Brexit Britain. Gove slobbered over him, Rees-Mogg ditto. Johnson wouldn’t even back our own Ambassador over Trump. Pathetic doesn’t even cover it. They wanted to bask in his reflected ‘glory’ and Trump’s ‘lie big, lie often’ approach was a natural fit for Johnson. As was Trump’s incompetence.

This could also be appropriate on the Johnson thread - or:
Donald Trump | Page 5180 | Bluemoon - the leading Manchester City forum (bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk)

Not really to do with the political relations between the EU and UK following the ending of the Brexit transition is it? Just saying

 

[meltonblue]

This is of course just desperately wishful thinking - IMO - likely borne out of frustration that 'all of a sudden - nothing happened'

After years of promising an apocalypse, I can understand that it must be very frustrating that the vast majority of the population are not hearing or thinking about 'shitshow' outcomes from Brexit and it is quickly receding into the 'so what' category.

The counter to that is if the vast majority aren’t feeling or seeing any difference, it wasn’t having a material impact on their lives anyway then?

I doubt many that work for businesses that trade regularly with the EU or even NI would agree with the sentiment that nothing has happened, I work for a multinational pharmaceutical retail and wholesaler and if it’s not a meeting about the vaccine rollout, Brexit has been all we’ve been dealing with.

 

[Metal Biker]

The counter to that is if the vast majority aren’t feeling or seeing any difference, it wasn’t having a material impact on their lives anyway then?

I doubt many that work for businesses that trade regularly with the EU or even NI would agree with the sentiment that nothing has happened, I work for a multinational pharmaceutical retail and wholesaler and if it’s not a meeting about the vaccine rollout, Brexit has been all we’ve been dealing with.

Counter-counter: Why all the hustle and bustle about remaining then? If it didn't affect your daily life being in the EU, and isn't likely to affect the lives of others being out of it, then why the tenacious attempts by remainers to stay in it once the democratic result had been confirmed? Why the movement to "rejoin"?

Because it was never about concern about 'lives' being affected from the remain stance; this was a political argument.

 

[meltonblue]

Counter-counter: Why all the hustle and bustle about remaining then? If it didn't affect your daily life being in the EU, and isn't likely to affect the lives of others being out of it, then why the tenacious attempts by remainers to stay in it once the democratic result had been confirmed? Why the movement to "rejoin"?

Because it was never about concern about 'lives' being affected from the remain stance; this was a political argument.

So I’m not someone where it doesn’t affect my daily life so I can’t really speak for them on that or what their reasons for wanting to remain were - as they differ as much as people’s reasons for wanting to leave did.

I’d argue at the moment we’re only six days in though, my point was that saying nothings changed now isn’t true for everyone. Any impacts currently were only ever going to be felt by people in jobs like mine though where there’s a clear and immediate significant difference in ways of working.