Political relations between UK-EU

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Vic said:
Apart from the fact that you approve the deal that has in the end treated fishing as insignificant, whereas I at least warned of the importance of seafood exports, I'd love to dump you in Eyemouth to explain that their angst is faux.
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I see that there is no change to your habit of twisting the words of other poster - it is a form of deceit you know? - you do know that don't you?
 
journolud said:
Is it an echo chamber if people merely share the same views? We’d be quite happy for you or any of your leave supporting mates to explain to us the benefits and future gains to be had from rotting fish. Or some of you could at least make a few jokes trivialising it to keep the thread on track
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Hey - I was just pointing out Vic's habit of suggesting that Leavers should no longer be on the thread
 
Gaudion M said:
Have a read of this.

blogs.lse.ac.uk

Article 16 of the Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol offers no ‘quick fix’ - LSE BREXIT

In this blog, Katy Hayward and David Phinnemore address the latest debate surrounding the implementation of the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland. They suggest that, contrary to some claims being made, unilateral triggering of Article 16 by the UK would not be the easy or the best route for...
blogs.lse.ac.uk blogs.lse.ac.uk

Think of a way to blame remainers then come back and post your BS response. We all look forward to it.
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I was assuming that @Ifwecouldjust....... meant another treaty and not the NIP.

Because his post would not make sense if he was referring to the NIP.

I mean how to you breach a treaty by invoking one of its clauses?
 
mcfc1632 said:
Hey - I was just pointing out Vic's habit of suggesting that Leavers should no longer be on the thread
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Leavers are welcome I’m sure if they can give us the positive spin to all the er teething problems that Brexit seems to be creating and maybe reassure us about the livelihoods of those most immediately affected
 
journolud said:
How do you think those whose livelihoods are directly affected are feeling? Faux outrage? Faux anxiety? Faux unemployment? Etc

You miss the point as usual when you trivialise posters raising the issue and seek to deflect with irrelevancies about what could have, should have happened. Do you think there is a constructive way your Brexit achieving government might alleviate the current concerns?
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My post is clear that I am referring to the posters on here - not the people in the fishing industry

The same posters that were outraged that the UK was using the fishing card well on behalf of the UK in the negotiations

Me? I was and am always supporting what is best for the UK and not just seeking to score points on a football forum
 
stonerblue said:
He does not seem to give a shit about people losing their jobs and futures as evidenced by every reply he makes when somebody posts an example.
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What I am doing is simply holding up a mirror to double-standards

That people do not like their reflection is on them
 
journolud said:
Is it an echo chamber if people merely share the same views? We’d be quite happy for you or any of your leave supporting mates to explain to us the benefits and future gains to be had from rotting fish. Or some of you could at least make a few jokes trivialising it to keep the thread on track
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Hey - there has been years of certain posters stating with absolute certainty that there was going to be an apocalypse - not implementation difficulties for a period after 'Go-Live'

We should all be glad that the promise of an apocalypse was actually overstating things shouldn't we

Would it not be nice though if some admitted that they were it seems overstating things - even that they were wrong it seems?
 
journolud said:
Leavers are welcome I’m sure if they can give us the positive spin to all the er teething problems that Brexit seems to be creating and maybe reassure us about the livelihoods of those most immediately affected
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I am giving the positive - and it is not spin

I am simply pointing out that the promise of an apocalypse was perhaps simply some posters exaggerating or hoping

That is surely positive - no?
 
mcfc1632 said:
I am giving the positive - and it is not spin

I am simply pointing out that the promise of an apocalypse was perhaps simply some posters exaggerating or hoping

That is surely positive - no?
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That there is no apocalypse, something I've previously acknowledged to you, is to be seen as a positive? Little consolation to the Brexit voting fishermen and eel exporters whose livelihood is threatened but a consolation to the rest of I'm sure.

Conversely there were leavers, not you, who claimed there would be little or no disruption, echoing the mistruths of Johnson. Would be good of them to acknowledge also that they were wrong rather than the childish trivialising that goes on, although to be fair there seems to be less of that as the realisation sinks in that in the short term at least it is the fuck up, if not the apocalypse, that many of us predicted.
 
journolud said:
That there is no apocalypse, something I've previously acknowledged to you, is to be seen as a positive? Little consolation to the Brexit voting fishermen and eel exporters whose livelihood is threatened but a consolation to the rest of I'm sure.

Conversely there were leavers, not you, who claimed there would be little or no disruption, echoing the mistruths of Johnson. Would be good of them to acknowledge also that they were wrong rather than the childish trivialising that goes on, although to be fair there seems to be less of that as the realisation sinks in that in the short term at least it is the fuck up, if not the apocalypse, that many of us predicted.
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I don't recall anyone predicting an apocalypse. Most former Remainers just predicted it would be a bit shit, which is probably a bit of an understatement now the problems are becoming apparent in the fishing, logistics and small business import/export sectors.

It's the Brexiteers that are recalling things that weren't said and gloating that it never happened, as we have seen with the lorry queues which were warned about by Michael Gove and repeated ad nauseam by Brexiteers as if it was a Remainer prediction. It's just Straw Man building.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I am giving the positive - and it is not spin

I am simply pointing out that the promise of an apocalypse was perhaps simply some posters exaggerating or hoping

That is surely positive - no?
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Its shit but not as shit as feared is the best positive you have over Brexit? All those promises condensed down to - "you know what it could be even worse"
 
west didsblue said:
I don't recall anyone predicting an apocalypse. Most former Remainers just predicted it would be a bit shit, which is probably a bit of an understatement now the problems are becoming apparent in the fishing, logistics and small business import/export sectors.

It's the Brexiteers that are recalling things that weren't said and gloating that it never happened, as we have seen with the lorry queues which were warned about by Michael Gove and repeated ad nauseam by Brexiteers as if it was a Remainer prediction. It's just Straw Man building.
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Yep, to be honest the deal is even shittier than I thought it was going to be, it’s riddled with non tariff barrier boobytraps....

 
journolud said:
That there is no apocalypse, something I've previously acknowledged to you, is to be seen as a positive? Little consolation to the Brexit voting fishermen and eel exporters whose livelihood is threatened but a consolation to the rest of I'm sure.

Conversely there were leavers, not you, who claimed there would be little or no disruption, echoing the mistruths of Johnson. Would be good of them to acknowledge also that they were wrong rather than the childish trivialising that goes on, although to be fair there seems to be less of that as the realisation sinks in that in the short term at least it is the fuck up, if not the apocalypse, that many of us predicted.
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I acknowledge that you have shown the character to accept that things are not remotely as bad as things were predicted to be by some posters

I could ask: but why only you?

Also - if you search the other thread(s) for the words - Leavers have more reason to be pissed off with the government than Remainers - you will find plenty of 'hits'

I have repeatedly said that preparations and detailed planning should have started a long time ago - in 2016 really

Now whilst that does not mean that there would not still be some issues - I certainly would have expected the ones affecting the fishing industry to have been very obvious and mitigations/workarounds/ policies etc. should have been identified, communicated and actioned ahead of cutover

You are right to say that there are fuck-ups - but I would expect that the vast majority of what has and will emerge would have been avoidable or at least the impact minimised, if we had a government since 2016 both competent and committed to Brexit.

So fucking annoying
 
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