Political relations between UK-EU

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Vic said:
Someone who's said I hate my country and called me a dope thinks I'm being rude.

I was only being hyberbolically humorous.

Get a grip.
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Read it again Vic, I never said you were rude.

I changed my post because my original one was too rude.
 
EU Justice Commissioner Didier Reynders has warned of a "vaccine war".

Speaking on Belgian radio, he said: "The EU commission has pushed to co-ordinate the vaccines contracts on behalf of the 27 precisely to avoid a vaccines war between EU countries, but maybe the UK wants to start a vaccine war?

"Solidarity is an important principle of the EU. With Brexit, it's clear that the UK doesn't want to show solidarity with anyone."

What a complete prick talking of war. We will definitely keep our vaccines now as we’re fearful that will be our only supply
 
Why on earth does Nicola Sturgeon trigger hardcore leavers and gammon tory blokes so much? I'm English, I'm not heavily involved in Scottish politics but all I can say is that she seems sensible, is credible and appears good at her job. It's a mystery. I know she wants to break up the Union but that effectively puts her on the same same as you.

So why the kneejerk hate? It's a weird paradox.
 
metalblue said:
I likes this sentence
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He thinks he can bandy words with someone whose English teacher wrote on an essay, "Your philology fulminates".

He reminds me of Woody in Cheers who mixed up articulate and inarticulate. When toid they mean different things he said "But flammable and inflammable mean the same. I learnt that the hard way".

That of course is not an insult as I'm only being humorous.
 
metalblue said:
It’s highly unlikely the contract will stipulate such to permit that, they could argue they are entitled to. It would also be a strange contract where the delivery schedule is entirely binding with no best endeavour clause.

Irrespective, contract disputes should be resolved in a court of law not by arbitrary action of one party to the contact particularly when that action is against a 3rd party simply on the grounds that they also have a contract with same. AZ could of course avoid court by offering to settle and rip the contract up delivering exactly 0 vaccines. Now that wouldn’t be unethical of course because it is contract law right?

That the UK may send the vaccine to Germany for placement into vials and that the EU threaten to withhold that would do huge damage to the EUs reputation as a safe place to do business.... what was it they said when the UK passed a rightful law allowing for it to change part of the WA?

Of course tensions are high because the EU is behind the curve here and probably getting asked questions about that. Best form of defence is attack and all that but rather than having the CEO of AZ spend energy fighting off the media and trade barbs with the EU surely the more prudent action would be to just let him get on with fixing the issues that are causing their delays. Every country has experienced delays between promised doses and available ones, they undoubtedly didn’t like it but they just got on with it - there is a lesson there for the EU.
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Good post - and indeed - for people that are experienced in contracts it is quite easy and relevant to be able to assume/anticipate the clauses that will be present in contracts - and best endeavours will be in this contract - IMO

And experienced people know what 'certainty' that gives

There is no escaping the desire of some on here to just 'protect' the EU and their behaviour - no matter what and no matter how sycophantic (and possibly anti-UK) that makes them look

Just a thought - if there is a breach of a contract claimed - then there are well established steps that are then followed - they generally include courts

Do the actions taken by the EU - the ones @Ban-jani raised - really reflect the standard steps that should be taken?

I would suggest those that are saying so need a good look in a mirror
 
west didsblue said:
Don't really want to pay a Telegraph subscription. What does it say?
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"The First Minister performed an abrupt about-turn after Ruth Davidson, leader of the Conservative Party in the Scottish parliament, questioned her about the slow rollout of the vaccine. Just 462,000 people in Scotland have received a first dose of the vaccine. Ms Davidson claims Scotland has been allocated one million doses but is failing to use them."
 
jaseirai said:
"The First Minister performed an abrupt about-turn after Ruth Davidson, leader of the Conservative Party in the Scottish parliament, questioned her about the slow rollout of the vaccine. Just 462,000 people in Scotland have received a first dose of the vaccine. Ms Davidson claims Scotland has been allocated one million doses but is failing to use them."
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Thanks.

Seems Ruth Davidson is being somewhat disingenuous. Whilst it's true that Scotland is a little behind England in the vaccine rollout (8.5% v 11.5 % of the respective populations), the difference equates to about a 160,000 shortfall in Scotland. I very much doubt that Scotland would have been allocated nearly double the volume of vaccines proportionately compared to the rest of the UK and then failed to use them.

Here's some real statistics rather than repeated hearsay in the Telegraph. (Note that the data in the charts goes up to 27 Jan in spite of the article being dated 11 Jan)
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/1877716/covid-vaccine-tracker/
 
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jaseirai said:
"The First Minister performed an abrupt about-turn after Ruth Davidson, leader of the Conservative Party in the Scottish parliament, questioned her about the slow rollout of the vaccine. Just 462,000 people in Scotland have received a first dose of the vaccine. Ms Davidson claims Scotland has been allocated one million doses but is failing to use them."
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Itll be someone else’s fault.
 
Ban-jani said:
The coffee shop was a purposely over exaggerated example.

The thread really hasn’t progressed from last year where everything is just hyperbole, when in reality society has barely been impacted.
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Ban-jani said:
The economy hasn’t really got even worse on top of Covid, predictions are ok, there haven’t been further mass job losses as a direct result of leaving. We notice economic impacts at work before most industries, especially with our clients and their cost cuttings and since New Year the job market has actually improved (this is more of a companies-getting-used-to-lockdown reason than anything btw).

Regarding social aspects, nobody is talking about it other than this thread and corners of Twitter freaks. BLM has had more of a cultural impact in the last 12 months.

It’s all a bit meh after 5 years of this shite.
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Highest unemployment rate in 5 years.
 
jaseirai said:
Wee Burney has 538,000 unused doses she could send to her future employers. I'm sure they'd be grateful and such logistical skill would ensure her future job as a European Commissioner.

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I often think that those politicos in favour of EU membership often have an eye on one of the highly-paid sinecures - EU Commisioner with special responsibility for Tunnocks Tea Cakes, Irn Bru, haggis, deep fried Mars Bars (although this last confection could carry a hefty tariff come Scottish independence) and tartan trews.
 
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