Political relations between UK-EU

[BobKowalski]

Give it time :)

Thursday, about 2:05pm...

 

[chesterbells]

More fishing woes...

'North-east fishing leaders are demanding urgent talks with the UK Government after likening the shambles created by Brexit to a “motorway crash”.

The new red tape also means that every box of fresh seafood and salmon has to be offloaded from lorries and inspected by vets before they leave Scotland – which can take up to five hours.’

'It’s like a motorway crash': Urgent meeting sought to resolve Brexit mess which has left fishing industry suffering huge losses

North-east fishing leaders are demanding urgent talks with the UK Government after likening the shambles created by Brexit to a "motorway crash". Michael

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

I’ll bet they all voted to remain too. Gutted.

 

[stonerblue]

Of course we were.

Why would I specify first language when talking about how wildly spread English is across the world?

Well you might have been but how am i to know that unless you specify it?

When you say ''English is the most widely spoken language in the world.'' it gives no hint of your first language claim does it?

Anyroad, me chips are burning now so i'll have to pop off. See you tomorrow x

 

[Ban-jani]

Well you might have been but how am i to know that unless you specify it?

When you say ''English is the most widely spoken language in the world.'' it gives no hint of your first language claim does it?

Anyroad, me chips are burning now so i'll have to pop off. See you tomorrow x

See ya mate

Enjoy your chips

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

No - but there was a point last night where the discussion went 'inappropriate' IMO

So, quickly......

• It is of course entirely on-topic to discuss the future of N.I on the Brexit thread - especially given how we ended up with the NIP
• By extension - discussing the prospects of a united Ireland also is and therefore
• The steps to achieving that also are

Did it need so many pages? Questionable - but hey many more pages are taken up on lesser topics

What I did not like was the response to your very balanced and poignant post about your personal experience as a youth and which you finished with a comment suggesting that, in the future, there is no room for violence in your opinion:



Maybe it was just me being sensitive - but it did jar with me to find on a Manchester based football forum a Irish Nationalist declaring that future violence was OK in their opinion to achieve unification.

As I say - maybe I was being over-sensitive (I had a team based on the 12th floor in 1996 - and some worked on Saturdays as well) - but people supporting violence to achieve the aim of unification - are IMHO 'off-topic' - it did indeed come across to me as if they had an agenda

Anyway - that was by way of explaining my 'irritation' - I am out of any further discussion on it - and would suggest that there should not be any (certainly not on this thread - I mean the use of violence not the topic of N.I.)

That’s fair enough.
I’ll admit I thought your quip was aimed at other posters and what I was replying to in particular when berating you was;

‘The good news for me is that the way the thread seems to have merged with the Irish politics thread and people are debating immigration (again) suggests that this is another day where the apocalypse is stubbornly hiding’

That is specifically what I was referring to.
I’d suggest if you found @aguero93:20 needed further explaining you could debate that with him. Others were offering opinions on NI that regardless of Brexit opinions, were valid and logically argued.
And I don’t agree with them all. I was initially pointing out to you that they were valid arguments within the framework of this thread.

FWIW my own opinion on the post you say offended you is although it’s not my view, I didn’t take away from it that the poster was advocating violence. Merely that he would not shy away from action towards unification for fear of violence.

Only one way to find out for sure if interested. Ask the poster.

 

[mcfc1632]

Didn't workstream man say why he thought Frost's fish deal was so good? Well, no, but he did say we should all realise why it was obvious it was so good.

To be fair - seeing as you are doing more goading.....

I did explain - but you were not able understand very basic and simple things

 

[mcfc1632]

You’ve just said you’d prefer a French nurse than a Somalian one, because the French one had learned English earlier in their life... and you think I am racist for supporting an immigration policy that requires an English test, that anyone can take and pass, from any nationality or colour?

Are you on glue?

Is Canada racist for having the same policy for years?

Your patience knows no bounds

 

[Ban-jani]

Your patience knows no bounds

Well the “on glue” comment wasn’t very patient haha.

 

[mcfc1632]

If they pass the test and are qualified I couldn’t care less.

That is because:

a) you are not racist and

b) you don't actively support inherently discriminatory policies

 

[Vic]

You’ve just said you’d prefer a French nurse than a Somalian one, because the French one had learned English earlier in their life... and you think I am racist for supporting an immigration policy that requires an English test, that anyone can take and pass, from any nationality or colour?

Are you on glue?

Is Canada racist for having the same policy for years?

I actually asked which you'd prefer...

Maybe it helps if I refine it and say I'd probably prefer a Somalian nurse who's been here 20 years and fluent than a French nurse who just managed to pass the English exam. It's not racist, it's risk management. Most clinical errors due to language barriers are because the patient is "foreign" (e.g. an English patient with no Arabic in a Middle East hospital) but it can work the other way: (from an Australian academic study):

"Miscommunication in the healthcare sector can be life-threatening. The rising number of migrant patients and foreign-trained staff means that communication errors between a healthcare practitioner and patient when one or both are speaking a second language are increasingly likely."

I was discriminating sensibly between being cared for by someone whose English is "to the required standard" and someone whose English is likely to be much better. Whereas (forget nursing) you expect the "required standard" from someone coming here to pick fruit (except it's not well paid enough).

The first Somalis I met were two children with no English who rolled up at a primary school where I was a governor. One was old enough to be at high school. I can't remember now how we communicated that day, but one of the lads stopped me in the street years later and reminded me who he was - and by then he was fluent and well "integrated".