Political relations between UK-EU

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Ban-jani said:
Every single thing that’s happened negatively that can be pinned on Brexit has been in here, this thread is EU-UK relations and the EU are threatening Britain.

Where would you want it discussed?
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Still thinks it's the brexit thread, that's why.
 
west didsblue said:
I also have no problem with people posting tweets as long as they're not opinion stated as fact.
I agree that the EU have handled it particularly badly but I find the ill-disguised gloating about it from some on here unpleasant, and the attempts to link it to Brexit pathetic.
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I see it fairly simply. In these extraordinary times Covid has been handled fairly badly in most eu countries and in the UK, vaccinations has been handled badly both by the eu and by it’s individual members. The UK has handled vaccination better than probably any other country worldwide. Being in or out of the eu didn’t prevent the UK either acting differently on covid or vaccination. Nor any other member.
When we get back to ordinary times after covid being out of the eu will be bad for jobs, businesses and the economy, bad for the union, with as far as I can see no benefits at all, to peoples everyday living.
 
smudgedj said:
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Literally black and white

I am confident that we will see some 'character' and a number of posters rushing to correct their comments
 
Ban-jani said:
The EU basically cocking up their strategy and then claiming that clause didn’t exist, when it blatantly does.

It just reminds be of UEFA with City.

In their defence I genuinely believe they’re better than this, it’s them at their worst.
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Yes, completely agree they have handled the comms around this terribly and been made to look foolish by AZ simply playing a straight bat and telling the truth.
 
meltonblue said:
If that is in the U.K. contract specifically, AZ have breached the contract.
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AstraZeneca said on Wednesday that it can't send doses made in the UK to the EU, because it's contract for UK supplies prevented this. I'm only guessing made in the UK is for the UK based on this statement.
 
Ban-jani said:
The EU basically cocking up their strategy and then claiming that clause didn’t exist, when it blatantly does.

It just reminds be of UEFA with City.

In their defence I genuinely believe they’re better than this, it’s them at their worst.
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You may well be right but I still don’t see it as a Brexit issue although I accept that the way it is developing it could be allowed to sour relations.

I would like to know what people actually think of the selling of the IP from each of the companies that developed a vaccine. It really is a discussion for the Covid thread though, I think.

Interesting article;

This one from November is interesting for the finances involved and the final paragraph about the prognosis of profit into the future off Covid alone;

 
Ban-jani said:
This is a great book, highly rated:


Broken Vows: Tony Blair The Tragedy of Power
Book by Tom Bower

It was described as more comprehensive than the Chilcott inquiry on Iraq alone.

Unless I’ve got this mixed up, Blair was trying his damnedest to get us into the Euro and Brown opposed him for the reason Brown made Blair’s life hell all the time, he hated him and wouldn’t forgive him for going for the leadership when he said he wouldn’t.
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I will drop you a PM - Blair's 'future role' was being lined up and to secure it - all he had to do was......
 
mcfc1632 said:
Literally black and white

I am confident that we will see some 'character' and a number of posters rushing to correct their comments
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As it's clearly about winning an argument on a football forum, why don't you quote some of the posts where people have got it wrong.
 
Murph said:
AstraZeneca said on Wednesday that it can't send doses made in the UK to the EU, because it's contract for UK supplies prevented this. I'm only guessing made in the UK is for the UK based on this statement.
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Yep which would back up the EU saying that would be a breach of contract.
 
blueparrot said:
I see it fairly simply. In these extraordinary times Covid has been handled fairly badly in most eu countries and in the UK, vaccinations has been handled badly both by the eu and by it’s individual members. The UK has handled vaccination better than probably any other country worldwide. Being in or out of the eu didn’t prevent the UK either acting differently on covid or vaccination. Nor any other member.
When we get back to ordinary times after covid being out of the eu will be bad for jobs, businesses and the economy, bad for the union, with as far as I can see no benefits at all, to peoples everyday living.
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It looks like we have handled vaccine well, both the procurement and the start of rollout. So far, no-one has raised any problems with moving the goalposts for the second dose and please god that continues. I just hope that everyone does well with their own vaccine rollout as it does need a global effort. It will be interesting to see how a South Korea or Vietnam handle their vaccinations, I can see them moving very quickly once they get started. Israel seem to have already moved very fast too.
 
Ban-jani said:
Oh my God. This is gold.
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Well to be fair, she says:

"The phrase 'best effort' does not exist,"

If she was more across this she would have used 'best endeavours'

Still waiting to see some appropriate acknowledgement from some that were ever so high-handed in their need to defend her/ the EU's words and actions

I am not going to be disappointed am I ?

Also - the other comments associated to that tweet are interesting, including Andrew Neil's:


Andrew Neil

@afneil
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20h

This aged well ....
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David Schneider

@davidschneider
· Jul 10, 2020
- Won’t join EU vaccine scheme
- Wouldn’t join EU ventilator scheme
- Failed to join EU PPE procurement scheme
- Allowing No Deal that will lead to medicine shortages and devastate the NHS Brexit is a suicide cult.



There were a few posters on here that seemed to have distance themselves from their indignation that the UK did not join the EU scheme
 
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mancity2012_eamo said:
You may well be right but I still don’t see it as a Brexit issue although I accept that the way it is developing it could be allowed to sour relations.

I would like to know what people actually think of the selling of the IP from each of the companies that developed a vaccine. It really is a discussion for the Covid thread though, I think.

Interesting article;

This one from November is interesting for the finances involved and the final paragraph about the prognosis of profit into the future off Covid alone;

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This thread is EU-UK relations though, Brexit is done
 
So whats the score here chaps, can the EU force AZ to divert the UKs vaccines to the EU? Ive not been following this closely the last couple of days.
 
jaseirai said:
www.spectator.co.uk

Vaccine wars: the global battle for a precious resource

Armed guards are patrolling the perimeter fence of a sleek factory. Software experts are fending off hackers. Border officials are checking trucks and ferries, not for weapons or illegal immigrants, but for a mysterious biochemical soup, while spies and spin doctors are feeding social media with...
www.spectator.co.uk www.spectator.co.uk

"Britain, spooked by the battle to find plastic gloves and other PPE in the first wave, wrote into its contract with Oxford-AstraZeneca a stipulation that vaccines made in Britain would be offered to Britain first. We signed in May. The EU dithered for an extra three months and didn’t agree terms until the end of August. It failed to extract similar promises on delivery. It will now wish that it had"
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If that's true, does that mean AZ didn't tell the EU that they had given the UK priority for the goods that the EU was buying?
 
Saddleworth2 said:
It looks like we have handled vaccine well, both the procurement and the start of rollout. So far, no-one has raised any problems with moving the goalposts for the second dose and please god that continues. I just hope that everyone does well with their own vaccine rollout as it does need a global effort. It will be interesting to see how a South Korea or Vietnam handle their vaccinations, I can see them moving very quickly once they get started. Israel seem to have already moved very fast too.
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Israel are a different case with an arrangement with Pfizer I’m not even sure was on offer to any other country, Maybe because other countries backed multiple horses, and Pfizer wanted exclusivity for their trials don’t know. I’d expect some countries to move quite quickly when they start. Not sure why somewhere like South Korea haven’t yet.
 
Vic said:
If that's true, does that mean AZ didn't tell the EU that they had given the UK priority for the goods that the EU was buying?
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Pretty much, and the contract with the EU states no other contract shall impede its obligations under the EU contract.
 
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