Political relations between UK-EU

[BobKowalski]

Well they will have to honour the contract to the UK, regardless of their contract with the EU.

They have to honour both. If you can’t honour both, you sit down with the parties concerned and restructure the deals. You don’t honour one and expect the other party to lump it.

This is either a collaborative effort or it isn’t and if it isn’t then you let the party that thinks it is a collaborative effort know accordingly.

 

[ctwrd]

One would usually distinguish between best endeavours and reasonable endeavours. So best reasonable effort seems like a strange terminology.

even so the eu is an absolute disgrace in the way they are acting.

funny seeing some historic tweets from certain prominent Twitter z-listers from months ago calling Boris and the government murderers with blood on their hands for not joining the eu scheme and saying brexit will cause Vaccine delays and deaths.

those remoaners who say “you could have gone alone even without brexit” Miss the point that it it’s about if the eu act like this over this what does that say for them in other areas?

do another referendum right now and there’d be a swing towards a more convincing leave vote

 

[Nightmare Walking]

They have to honour both. If you can’t honour both, you sit down with the parties concerned and restructure the deals. You don’t honour one and expect the other party to lump it.

This is either a collaborative effort or it isn’t and if it isn’t then you let the party that thinks it is a collaborative effort know accordingly.

I totally agree with what you say and that would be the sensible option.
Problem is the EU are lashing about while the UK are keeping quiet. Now that suggests the EU do not have a leg to stand on and the UK are comfortable in their position. If the EU had a water tight agreement in their favour, they would not be behaving in this manner.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Or the EU showing true colours

 

[ctwrd]

They have to honour both. If you can’t honour both, you sit down with the parties concerned and restructure the deals. You don’t honour one and expect the other party to lump it.

This is either a collaborative effort or it isn’t and if it isn’t then you let the party that thinks it is a collaborative effort know accordingly.

Except thats not true.

They “dithered and delayed” to borrow a phrase and their supply chains haven’t been set up in time.

they also demanded the label be printed in 24 different languages. Pathetic

 

[Didsbury Dave]

This is what divorce is all about.

Absolutely nailed it mate. This is what it’s going to be like isn’t it? A perpetual cold war with every single one of our nearest neighbours.

 

[Del_Bosque]

Are you saying Oxford would have refused permission to distribute a vaccine during a global pandemic if the UK didn’t get priority?

Yes

it was part of the terms, including that agreed to distribute for cost

part of the conditions of the UK Gov funding it initially

They usually go with the janner institute I believe but went with AZ because of their UK base

 

[BobKowalski]

I totally agree with what you say and that would be the sensible option.
Problem is the EU are lashing about while the UK are keeping quiet. Now that suggests the EU do not have a leg to stand on and the UK are comfortable in their position. If the EU had a water tight agreement in their favour, they would not be behaving in this manner.

Yeah, the UK Govt is doing the sensible thing and keeping its head down, whereas the EU are having a full on melt which is helping absolutely no one.

Irrespective of the contracts, if AZ don‘t have the vaccines they promised then no amount of screaming is going to magic them into existence.

The EU are going to have to beef up production and accept there will be a few weeks delay in getting it done. Better to get on with doing that rather than all these hysterics.

 

[Ban-jani]

Absolutely nailed it mate. This is what it’s going to be like isn’t it? A perpetual cold war with every single one of our nearest neighbours.

To be fair, I’ve felt since 2016 the EU have been sat quietly, looking at us like we’re absolutely insane, and we are flapping like idiots, whilst they ask us if we are ok.

But the first time since, the shoe seems to be on the other foot.

 

[smudgedj]

Don’t forget, this is all decided under Belgian law.

Fortunately we have a forum full of experts on precisely that subject.

Here you go an expert lol

 

[BobKowalski]

Yes

Okay, I’ll try again. Oxford would have denied the world a potential life saving vaccine if AZ refused to prioritise the UK?

They would have turned round and said ‘Nah, we’ll sit this one out.”

Their humanity and altruism is inspiring.

 

[BobKowalski]

To be fair, I’ve felt since 2016 the EU have been sat quietly, looking at us like we’re absolutely insane, and we are flapping like idiots, whilst they ask us if we are ok.

But the first time since, the shoe seems to be on the other foot.

Correct.

 

[Marlo]

There’s a difference, some who support EU membership, ie me, do so on the premise only of it being beneficial to the UK but fundamentally our loyalties lie with our country. Now the EU aren’t acting in our benefit and are acting in aggression towards us, my natural position is one of defence.

Spot on.

I am pro EU and voted remain, I have been critical of the UK been reckless with GFA agreement during the course of Brexit. I don't like Johnson and think he has made huge errors during the last 12 months but the UK vaccination programme has to date been extremely well managed and deserving of praise. The right thing for the EU to do would be to focus increasing production of the vaccine at sites throughout Europe not putting a wrecking ball to Irish, UK and European relations and essentially starting a vaccine war.

Horrendous optics.

 

[Chris in London]

Here you go an expert lol

Fortunately smudge I speak fluent Flemish.

He said ‘I got it all off blue moon.’

 

[Ban-jani]

Correct.

I need to sit down.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

They have to honour both. If you can’t honour both, you sit down with the parties concerned and restructure the deals. You don’t honour one and expect the other party to lump it.

This is either a collaborative effort or it isn’t and if it isn’t then you let the party that thinks it is a collaborative effort know accordingly.

Restructure the deals with whom exactly? Every company around the World that is producing the AstraZeneca vaccine, or just the UK based company's?

 

[Ric]

Correct.

Johnson probably can't believe his luck, tbh. It's detracted a lot of attention from many of the grim realities of Brexit, and most likely increased public support for leaving.

 

[Chris in London]

Johnson probably can't believe his luck, tbh. It's detracted a lot of attention from many of the grim realities of Brexit, and most likely increased public support for leaving.

There is some irony after making a career out of bluster and bombast that his most effective play was to shut the fuck up and keep his head down

 

[meltonblue]

You haven't seen the contract and I'm willing to bet that UK made vaccine is NOT going into EU supply chain unless it's excess product which is entering the EU for full specification release testing. In which case it's being done as a favour for the EU. If you're apparently moving vaccine to there it's for that reason and that reason only. The MAA (market authorisation documents) state the manufacturing labs which to my knowledge contains NO UK sites for the EU territory.

Oh P.S. if they are importing UK made vaccine to do full specification release testing, it's approx. 54 days' work to complete.

Your knowledge is incorrect then, the U.K., the US and Belgium are all listed as manufacturing sites.

 

[RabidCity]

Have you read this? It explains a lot.

Thanks for sharing, great read.