You've never understood one thing about any of this have you?The EU are doing what they are legally entitled to do because we backed down and signed up for a deal that was favourable to them because it was better than the No Deal alternative. We might not like it and it might not be fair but it's the position we put ourselves in.
That's a bit of a random post.You've never understood one thing about any of this have you?
We can respond with our own 'Entitlements,' don't you realise that?
@Mëtal Bikër I think it was has pointed out all this bullshit is not about
Brexit is just an insane and irrational hatred of the Tories.
That bothers me not, hate who you like, but it's got Rockall (love that)
to do with Brexit.
The EU are doing what they are legally entitled to do because we backed down and signed up for a deal that was favourable to them because it was better than the No Deal alternative. We might not like it and it might not be fair but it's the position we put ourselves in.
It’s not out of the blue though, Campbell has been the topic of conversation on here recently and Cummings has gone.Clear unrelated whataboutery.
Neither am I, but I'm very happy about this particular aspect of their tenure.That's a bit of a random post.
Anyway I don't hate the Tories in general.
I'm not particularly enamoured with the competence of the current lot in government.
I could argue that we're reaping what we sowed with the threats related to the IM bill and the brinkmanship we used as a negotiating strategy which resulted in a lot of bad will. Hopefully it will all settle down over the next few months and we'll all realise that working together is better than having an adversarial relationship.Of course this is a result of Brexit but what I really care about (and imagine all of us should) is reasonableness/ fairness here. You should be able to rely on the sincerity of your trading partners. You’ve said it might not be fair which would suggest you aren’t wholly approving of the EUs behaviour here, can I be the first to welcome you to the dark side ;)
Legally is a bit interesting; there is a thing called ostensible authority in UK law (agent authority in EU law) where you can rely on the words or actions of someone deemed to be acting in an authoritative capacity so when the EU told the UK it would be ok to now say it isn’t might not be legal (I presume this is why UK have stated the EU might not be acting legally here).
The trouble is the EU will pull this stunt repeatedly for the next few months, the UK objects and maybe eventually the EU says “yes, you’re right sorry please export with our blessing”. As @Ancient Citizen says our tolerance is not unlimited and the EU might need a little warning in that regard.
What is amazing is that is your take on it. From the letter the EU gave the UK a statement in Sept 2019 to say these live exports where ok and subject to an export health certificate- the UK was happy with that arrangement.
The EU have now changed their mind and said they cannot be exported, regarding class A waters the EU have said “they don’t know but the UK could try” - so it seems they have limited understanding of their own stance here. There was no legislation passed here explicitly for this so no one is complaining in that letter about not being informed as per the tweet but it is a bureaucratic interpretation on a trade that had been carried out with the UK for decades. Remember this new interpretation is counter to the previous advice given by the EU on this trade to the UK...but the legislation hasn’t changed?
And the pro-EU mob are happy enough to support the EU in this? I’m not talking about if they are within their rights to do this but if they are right to do it? What possible justification is there here? Give me one good reason why they have done this, just one.
If my neighbour told me I could park my caravan on his drive and then told me I couldn’t after I’d brought it he would be in his rights to do so but would also a bit of a ****.
I could argue that we're reaping what we sowed with the threats related to the IM bill and the brinkmanship we used as a negotiating strategy which resulted in a lot of bad will. Hopefully it will all settle down over the next few months and we'll all realise that working together is better than having an adversarial relationship.
There was talk yesterday about boarding and inspecting EU vessels.The trouble is the EU will pull this stunt repeatedly for the next few months, the UK objects and maybe eventually the EU says “yes, you’re right sorry please export with our blessing”. As @Ancient Citizen says our tolerance is not unlimited and the EU might need a little warning in that regard.
Of course this is a result of Brexit but what I really care about (and imagine all of us should) is reasonableness/ fairness here. You should be able to rely on the sincerity of your trading partners. You’ve said it might not be fair which would suggest you aren’t wholly approving of the EUs behaviour here, can I be the first to welcome you to the dark side ;)
Legally is a bit interesting; there is a thing called ostensible authority in UK law (agent authority in EU law) where you can rely on the words or actions of someone deemed to be acting in an authoritative capacity so when the EU told the UK it would be ok to now say it isn’t might not be legal (I presume this is why UK have stated the EU might not be acting legally here).
The trouble is the EU will pull this stunt repeatedly for the next few months, the UK objects and maybe eventually the EU says “yes, you’re right sorry please export with our blessing”. As @Ancient Citizen says our tolerance is not unlimited and the EU might need a little warning in that regard.
Link isn't loading.No MB, ignore the fucking halfwit you are replying to, he is a clown, the epitome of Dunning Kreuger. He is just being pathetic because I don't take him seriously.
It won't be a Conservative state, the Sovereign Individual has nothing to do with Conservatism. I would gladly take Conservatism over what these Sovereign Individual fanatics fantasise over. Libertarianism btw can be linked to any political belief, whether that be Communism, Fascism, Socialism, Liberalism, whatever.
What the Sovereign Individual proposes would lead to the destruction of the nation state, something no true Conservative would ever countenance. It would lead to the destruction of the very institutions the Conservatives treasure. City states, freeport and trading zones would lead to the eradication of borders, the state would cease to exist. The Sovereign Individual is a person of no state and as a result also of no obligation. There would be no democracy, everything would be decided by the market and as the market exists in cyberspace nobody can control it or regulate it.
This isn't because we left the EU, it is a rather sinister reason behind why those behind Leave EU fought so hard to leave and why certain individuals funded the campaign.
Here read this MB. Also remember I supported leaving the EU so I am no "remoaner" trying to cling to the EU. I am though genuinely concerned about this, because it is fucking sinister and the people involved i really do not trust. People like Hannan. Not even Farage is linked to this although he may have been their useful idiot.
Case 1 – The Tabula Rasa – A Clean Slate – Baker Street Herald
Their behaviour may be less than satisfactory but they are within their rights to do this and it seems likely to me that it is as a result of the current poor relationship that exists which is in large part of our own making. As I said we need to get back to a position of trust and good faith, and if we start being belligerent, both sides will suffer but only one will suffer most. If we follow the brinkmanship strategy of last year it will fail for the very same reasons that we ended up with a deal that was more unfavourable to us than it needed to be.You could argue that but you would be merely trying to elevate the conversation back to your safe ground.
What I’m talking about is specific behaviours to a specific issue. Anyway I think we are agreed that the EUs behaviour on shell fish has been somewhat less than satisfactory.
I agree with your closing sentiment and to hope everything irons out in the end for the good of businesses on both side of the channel.
Ahh the thing I love most about politics and politicians;You've never understood one thing about any of this have you?
We can respond with our own 'Entitlements,' don't you realise that?
@Mëtal Bikër I think it was has pointed out all this bullshit is not about
Brexit is just an insane and irrational hatred of the Tories.
That bothers me not, hate who you like, but it's got Rockall (love that)
to do with Brexit.
And we can respond, because we also can.The one good reason is the one that Leave denied from the outset. They have done it because they can. They remain a trading bloc of 27 and set the rules for external trade - you know? The lie about unfettered access to their markets? All the benefits with none of the costs? This is what the reality looks like and its likely it will only be the first.
In the example you give its your neighbours drive and he is always at liberty to change his mind - you have no say about what happens on/with his land. Maybe doing a bit of homework pre-purchase and securing safe parking for your caravan would be a better bet.
You say their actions are less than satisfactory, but you support that they are within their rights to do it?Their behaviour may be less than satisfactory but they are within their rights to do this and it seems likely to me that it is as a result of the current poor relationship that exists which is in large part of our own making. As I said we need to get back to a position of trust and good faith, and if we start being belligerent, both sides will suffer but only one will suffer most. If we follow the brinkmanship strategy of last year it will fail for the very same reasons that we ended up with a deal that was more unfavourable to us than it needed to be.
The one good reason is the one that Leave denied from the outset. They have done it because they can. They remain a trading bloc of 27 and set the rules for external trade - you know? The lie about unfettered access to their markets? All the benefits with none of the costs? This is what the reality looks like and its likely it will only be the first.
In the example you give its your neighbours drive and he is always at liberty to change his mind - you have no say about what happens on/with his land. Maybe doing a bit of homework pre-purchase and securing safe parking for your caravan would be a better bet.
Just wait for the outcry when the UK to retaliates with similar stunts.You say their actions are less than satisfactory, but you support that they are within their rights to do it?
And still you don't see the problem!?!
I'd like to shag the redhead with a magnificent arse who lives around the corner. I've told all my mates I'm going to because I can.That isn’t a good reason why they have done this it’s just a made up excuse “because they can”. You can say “because I can” for any number of things, it’s a childish like reaction to doing something wrong, but they aren’t reasons they are to excuse your behaviour. Why were you speeding? Because I can. Why did you punch your neighbour? Because I can. Why did you invoke article 16? Because I can. Why did you ban UK shellfish l? Because I can. Do me a favour.
In the case of shellfish with the EU we did do our homework and they said it would be ok. Now they have changed their mind “because they can”. How can you even begin to defend such behaviour is really beyond me especially when you can’t come up with anything that even resembles a good reason just a lame “because I can” excuse.
And we can respond, because we also can.
We have access, with zero tariffs.
Your final argument, fishing, is being dismantled, we know why they do
what they're doing, yet you haven't realised we can do exactly the same.
What do you think would happen if we do?
Because if they continue they will get a response.
Another who knows absolutely nothing about was has, and is, happening.
We’re at the start of the War of the Red Tape.
Not sure it’ll make a good film though...