Coronavirus (2021) thread

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blueish swede said:
There are a lot of recommendations in Sweden, rather than rules, and people follow the recommendations quite well. They have basically stayed the same the whole time as well.
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I know mate, just I remember only a few weeks ago when the hospitals in Stockholm were announced as being completely full and you were potentially (or did) send poorly patients across to Norway and/or Denmark. The recommendations got tightened/increased but you never went to lockdown yet you’ve got over the peak quite well.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

UK could be trapped in lockdown cycles for 'several YEARS', SAGE warns

Professor Sir Ian Boyd, from the University of St Andrews and a member of SAGE, said potentially jab-resistant strains means the UK could be stuck in a pattern of 'control and release for a long time'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

We will be in and out of lockdowns for a few years yet.
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Fuck me, I couldn’t be any more bored of this shit if I tried. Funnily enough it sort of answers the questions I raised a couple of pages back as to why we’ve got these variants.

Anyone want to buy a nice house in Rammy, or I’ll swap for something in New Zealand....
 
Bristol variant , Manchester variant. Scaremongering bollocks. Every virus will have thousands of variants, the press need to stop with this shit. If something crops up that means the vaccine won’t stop you getting very poorly hospitalised or dead then let’s hear it. Otherwise it’s putting the fear of Christ into people, it’s going to have a seriously debilitating effect on the mental wellbeing of this country. And we’ve already been battered senseless by that. Enough.
 
johnnytapia said:
Bristol variant , Manchester variant. Scaremongering bollocks. Every virus will have thousands of variants, the press need to stop with this shit. If something crops up that means the vaccine won’t stop you getting very poorly hospitalised or dead then let’s hear it. Otherwise it’s putting the fear of Christ into people, it’s going to have a seriously debilitating effect on the mental wellbeing of this country. And we’ve already been battered senseless by that. Enough.
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Rammy Blue said:
Okey dokely, questions and musings for the more knowledgable among the bluemoonerati...

Bear with me as I’m not always the best at getting my thoughts written down:

Non political answers please!

Why is it that we’ve had this bigger spike than most countries across the world who’ve also had this 3rd wave? We saw the graphs posted from earlier today, including European countries who have also had variants. I watch the Americans in a stadium watching the Super Bowl etc.

Is it because our borders have been so lax that we‘ve had more variants which eventually have caused ones that have been so much more transmissible? I expected other countries to be suffering the same way we have been yet we seem to be the worst.

I speak to my brother in Stockholm nearly every day, and after the news a few weeks ago about their hospitals getting full it hasn’t really changed and they seem to be over their peak too, and bear in mind they’ve had ZERO lockdown, my brother who is a hairdresser hasn’t ever been had the shop closed, and restaurants and bars still open etc, they’ve just had to be a bit more careful.

Thoughts?
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More infectious variant with high pop density while keeping schools open and mon essential shops open.
Kids 12-14 are THREE times more infectious with the UK variant and while isolating infect most of the household rather than non or 1 other. Devastating in multgenerational households.
Result. Wildfire spread.
What used to work to stop the spread didn't any more. Only lock down with school closure works.
Ireland has had it too but schools were closed when the infection accelerated so managed to damp down quite a lot.
All over Europe they have locked down hard with knowledge of UK spread but the variant is now dominant in Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Spain and Portugal.
Portugal cases went ballistic 2 weeks ago and it is really grim (the equivalent of nearly 2000 deaths a day in the UK), Spain has reached critical mass(60% new varriant) and started escalating this week.
France has locked down hard to keep it at bay.
Italy is going to kop it big time as they have opened up due to riots and protests. The case escalation has already started.
Only lockdown and vaccination will work against the new variant.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
More infectious variant while keeping schools open and mon essential shops open.. Kids 12-14 are THREE times more infectious with the UK variant and while isolating infect most of the household rather than non or 1 other. Result.
Wildfire spread.
What used to work to stop the spread didn't any more. Only lock down with school closure works.
Ireland has had it too but schools were closed when the infection accelerated so managed to damp down quite a lot.
All over Europe they have locked down hard with knowledge of UK spread but the variant is now dominant in Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Spain and Portugal.
Portugal cases went ballistic 2 weeks ago and it is really grim (the equivalent of nearly 2000 deaths a day in the UK), Spain has started escalating this week.
France has locked down hard to keep it at bay.
Italy is going to kop it big time as they have opened up due to riots and protests. The case escalation has already started.
Only vaccination will work against the new variant.
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Thanks mate, sounds shitty for rest of Europe then whereas I thought they were all over their peaks.
 
Rammy Blue said:
Thanks mate, sounds shitty for rest of Europe then whereas I thought they were all over their peaks.
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They've just kept a lid on it by locking down. Meanwhile the new variant spreads more than the old one and becomes the dominant variant. High density housing and unventilated building lobbies in Portugal, Spain and Italy spell big, big trouble when the variant reaches 60% dominance.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

UK could be trapped in lockdown cycles for 'several YEARS', SAGE warns

Professor Sir Ian Boyd, from the University of St Andrews and a member of SAGE, said potentially jab-resistant strains means the UK could be stuck in a pattern of 'control and release for a long time'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

We will be in and out of lockdowns for a few years yet.
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not really sustainable on any level. and anyways we havent encountered a jab resistent strain yet as far as im aware. so this is yet another scare story from the daily fail.
 
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A guy 4 doors down from us posted on Facebook he had tested positive on Saturday and was self isolating for the next 11 days. Here we are 3 days later and I am resting as I have broken 3 ribs. So whilst I have been sitting I saw him leave his house on 3 occasions. About tea time he landed back and started to unload his shopping out of the back of the car. About an hour later there he was carrying a pizza which he had obviously collected. No wonder this virus is going nowhere when you have nobs like him. Just wondering if anyone would consider reporting them??
 
Blue Maverick said:
I wonder how many MPs have shares in the quarantine hotels, why aren’t they £35 a night travelodge! Seems a bit extortionate to me , I agree with the quarantine but £1750!
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It will help ensure only those that really want and need to travel here do so. Should have made that the per night rate.
 
richardtheref said:
A guy 4 doors down from us posted on Facebook he had tested positive on Saturday and was self isolating for the next 11 days. Here we are 3 days later and I am resting as I have broken 3 ribs. So whilst I have been sitting I saw him leave his house on 3 occasions. About tea time he landed back and started to unload his shopping out of the back of the car. About an hour later there he was carrying a pizza which he had obviously collected. No wonder this virus is going nowhere when you have nobs like him. Just wondering if anyone would consider reporting them??
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Where there is doubt, there is no doubt.
 
johnnytapia said:
Bristol variant , Manchester variant. Scaremongering bollocks. Every virus will have thousands of variants, the press need to stop with this shit. If something crops up that means the vaccine won’t stop you getting very poorly hospitalised or dead then let’s hear it. Otherwise it’s putting the fear of Christ into people, it’s going to have a seriously debilitating effect on the mental wellbeing of this country. And we’ve already been battered senseless by that. Enough.
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It’s to sell newspapers and get clicks, all the while making people feel like shit.

What we know is that the virus has been mutating thousands of times since last year, some people on this forum, who have had Covid, will have had different variants.

The ones we hear about are the ones scientists see significant differences in.

What we also know is that no variant has changed to the degree that it will evade the vaccine enough to produce severe illness, in anywhere near the amount of people it does now... and it very likely won’t.

Boris does need to shut the borders though as a precautionary but stating we’ll be in and out of lockdowns for years is pure pessimism and without scientific proof.

I don’t think it’s blind optimism to imagine the majority of this year looking like July last year, in terms of cases, deaths and restrictions.

The long term is more likely to be that: everything open, but limits on big crowds, social distancing, mask wearing indoors apart from at table for drinks/food, vaccinations once/twice a year and this for maybe a good number of months.
 
If Novovax is 60% effective against the SA variant, what isn't it being approved by the MHRA?
 
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