Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Yes, you're right, I alluded to it in an earlier post. The thing is, the flu jab is given during the period Oct - Jan, to ensure that everyone has some protection during the peak flu season (December - March). Currently we don't quite know what sort of protection those getting the second jab over the next few months will have come October, so it is possible that there'll need to be booster jabs before the end of the year as well as vaccinating the remainder of the population. The status we are at currently is that we are aiming to protect all over 50s upto the end of this year, but the virus will continue to circulate amongst the others - and indeed the vaccinated can probably still do so - (who will need hospital admission or die in much smaller numbers - sorry to be blunt). Then for next winter we need to try and vaccinate everyone. It's a big task, that. I think the problem is that the government need to be sure that everyone has had a good chance of getting vaccinated before changing the stance from mandatory to optional. And the situation overseas will be a big factor in that too.
Only my guess here but this how I think it may pan out. All over 50s will have both doses by about June (about 50-60 mill total doses. June July under 50s get first dose(about 20 mill doses).Now Astra Zeneca think the adapted vaccine will be ready about August, so it's possible August September the unders 50s get the new vaccine for their second dose (20 mill doses.) I would then guess the the 30m million from the first phase could get the new adapted booster from October alongside the flu one we know we are capable of about 4 million a week so the boosters could be done by the beginning of December.
Wishful thinking possibly but not wildly so.
 
why are people so worked up about a rumour that probably surfaced on twitter. FFS wait and see what is announced before flying off the handle. We are in a global pandemic and rules / laws have to change constantly to ensure we try and stay on top. We are now winning the fight, it won't be much longer before things are relaxed. It's as if we have been in a marathon uphill all the way and we are now in the last couple of miles and the road has leveled out and is slowly going downhill.

Cos it isn't a rumour that surfaced on Twitter. It comes from the national papers quoting scientists. I get your broader point, but you're achieving nothing putting it down to Twitter rumours when its quite clearly not that.
 
why are people so worked up about a rumour that probably surfaced on twitter. FFS wait and see what is announced before flying off the handle. We are in a global pandemic and rules / laws have to change constantly to ensure we try and stay on top. We are now winning the fight, it won't be much longer before things are relaxed. It's as if we have been in a marathon uphill all the way and we are now in the last couple of miles and the road has leveled out and is slowly going downhill.

People are worked up because the government have a history of leaking bad news before they announce it, probably to gauge reaction and/or try to soften the blow. Therefore they will view it as what is going to happen.

This morning a lot of people are sadly waking up to the fact no matter what they do, what is promised, nothing will change.
 
I don't think this is correct?

I think it's that work is allowed if social distancing can be observed.

Here you go

Where it is necessary for you to work in other people’s homes you can continue to, for example if you’re a:

  • Nanny
  • Cleaner
  • Tradesperson
You must follow the guidance on working in other people’s homes.

Think the 'neceessary' leaves it a bit open to interpretation, probably depends on the individual or employers how they interpret it. Most around here seem quite strict on what's necessary.
 
exactly piers Morgan caused all this fucking confusion during the first lockdown.

the rules were work from home if you can but if it is essential for you to travel to work you can.

yet it was twisted by piers Morgan who started to shout at people not doing essential work, which was totally wrong.

people still wrongly think you can only work if you are an essential worker which is crap.

and piers Morgan doesnt do essential work unless you think the worlds Covid response needs piers interviewing Gemma Collins on tv .
I was under the impression that was before we were placed in another national lockdown. But thanks for putting me right. BTW I don't listen to a word that hypocritical twat Morgan utters. People like him inflame any situation he comments on as far as I can see
 
The government can't say we will open up now, they can't say pubs, cinemas etc will be opened up to the vaccinated, YET. If/when the data comes through that it is safe for vaccinated people to mingle then boom, "vaccine passports". For one it will get the economy going and 2 it will be a way of getting the vaccine dodgers to get the jab.

I'll tell you now that cineworld for example and 1000s of other businesses will let vaccinated people in if the data comes through, you will just have to wear a mask and sanitize your hands. There will be a tidal waves of businesses pressurising to open up and if the data supports it then you know Doris will be all for it. If the majority of adults are vaccinated then public support for vaccine passports will be through the roof.
 
exactly piers Morgan caused all this fucking confusion during the first lockdown.

the rules were work from home if you can but if it is essential for you to travel to work you can.

yet it was twisted by piers Morgan who started to shout at people not doing essential work, which was totally wrong.

people still wrongly think you can only work if you are an essential worker which is crap.

and piers Morgan doesnt do essential work unless you think the worlds Covid response needs piers interviewing Gemma Collins on tv .

Morgan should be sat on by that useless lump of lard he interviewed last night until he can shout no more the hypocritical priveliged prick.
 
why are people so worked up about a rumour that probably surfaced on twitter. FFS wait and see what is announced before flying off the handle. We are in a global pandemic and rules / laws have to change constantly to ensure we try and stay on top. We are now winning the fight, it won't be much longer before things are relaxed. It's as if we have been in a marathon uphill all the way and we are now in the last couple of miles and the road has leveled out and is slowly going downhill.

What gets me is when people say things like 'not much longer,' without seeming to realise this has all been going on in the UK for less than a year.

If the plan is keep everyone under some form of restriction until autumn, that's still 8 months away. Admittedly not a long time in the grand scheme of things but it's still over 3/4 of the period we've spent already in this bullshit. Given what's happened in the past 10 months, how well do you seriously think people will cope for a similar period again?
 
stop confusing the rules. You sound like piers Morgan

the rules state work from home if you can if you cannot work from home and it is essential for you to travel to do your work then you can do that.

there is nothing about you can only go to work if you do some kind of essential work (Is work in a hospital) .

both those companies are allowed to work.

the confusion comes from confusing conflicting messaging. while your right that that is the law, last month ( moth before? ) Boris was openly saying everyone should act as if they know they have the virus. thats a direct way of saying everyone should be isolating. it wasn't law though.
 
I don't think this is correct?

I think it's that work is allowed if social distancing can be observed.

Here you go

Where it is necessary for you to work in other people’s homes you can continue to, for example if you’re a:

  • Nanny
  • Cleaner
  • Tradesperson
You must follow the guidance on working in other people’s homes.

Just checked, this is Scottish guidance so may be different.

The Coronavirus regulations require that work carried out in someone else’s home for the maintenance, upkeep or functioning of the home must only be carried out where it is essential or where that house is unoccupied. People must not go into other people’s houses for that type of work where it is not essential. This applies to anyone carrying out work, voluntary or charitable services. Businesses who employ people to carry out this work should consider if it is essential before asking their employees to enter someone else’s home.

Read further information and guidance on working in other people’s homes.

Examples of essential work may include:

  • to carry out utility (including electricity, gas, water, telephone, broadband) safety checks, repairs, maintenance and installations (where those cannot be delayed)
  • to carry out repairs and maintenance that would otherwise threaten the household’s health and safety
  • to deliver, install or repair key household furniture and appliances such as washing machines, fridges and cookers
  • to support a home move, for example furniture removal
  • domestic cleaner providing services in support of a clean and safe living environment for people in vulnerable circumstance, living with a disability and as a result of that vulnerable circumstance or disability are unable to clean their own home
  • to deliver goods or shopping, where essential in supporting a vulnerable person
Non-essential work may include cosmetic painting/ decorating, or kitchen/ bathroom/glazing/carpeting/electrical replacements where not required to maintain the health and safety of the household
 
Whilst I understand what twosips and paulchapo are saying, I think we'll just need to wait a few more weeks or a couple of months to see exactly what the 'distancing until autumn' entails.

If it means continued wearing of masks in supermarkets and shops, and restrictions on large scale events ie limited capacity at football stadiums, no music festivals until later in the year and that sort of thing then people I think would generally accept it. Keep pushing the hand washing, and promoting giving space to vulnerable people and other members of the public, staying off work if you develop a cough etc until you're tested. No foreign holidays even, or if so then with strict enforceable quarantine where appropriate. All of the above is sensible.

If you still can't sit in a family members living room having a drink with a few other households and are told to sit apart from them and all the rest of it then I simply cannot see people tolerating this approach much beyond the next 2 or 3 months. And certainly not relaxing only to be in this sort of situation again next winter.

So I hope for visits to family/friends (without limits/distancing where people are vaccinated/pre infected), pubs perhaps with slightly limited capacity, restaurants, sporting events with limited capacity, music events with limited capacity, schools, soft plays and children's activity centres, cinemas, bowling and all the rest of it.

I don't understand why that won't be doable by late spring, early summer, and I think any government will have a hard time from keeping people from this sort of stuff. It can't keep being delayed until the next spring, autumn, summer, whatever.
 
the confusion comes from confusing conflicting messaging. while your right that that is the law, last month ( moth before? ) Boris was openly saying everyone should act as if they know they have the virus. thats a direct way of saying everyone should be isolating. it wasn't law though.

i will tell you what is more confusing Chris Whitty the main guy telling us all to stay at home and act like we have the virus walking down a nice market street in London (admittedly wearing a mask) going to get a burrito from a van in the market .

the video of this is more famous because some nob abused him but the real point is here is the guy telling all us plebs not to go out at all and meanwhile he is enjoying a nice stroll through his local market.

but so long as enough plebs obey the rules we will be fine.
 
One of the things i am finding difficult about this, is this notion that we are in it together, with parity. I'm not going to go on about rich people and footballers and poor people and tower blocks, but what has really tested me is the apparent disparity that exists amongst friendship groups, and drives animosity and really tests social cohesion.

for example, I cannot visit my mother, it is illegal (i've checked). Entering her house is against the law and is a punishable offence. i dont have kids and my job is not essential worker, i've worked at home since March. A few of my friends have jobs that are 'essential' ranging from doctors to working at AXA insurance (yes, essential). They have school runs, they have office mates, they have social bubbles in which parents visit regularly to perform childcare. One of them said they hadnt had that different a winter, what with having 3 young kids they dont really get time for the pub etc. I had a bit of a go as they have all this contact time, legally, while i am frozen out of human contact, by law. That is becoming very hard to take.
 
Whilst I understand what twosips and paulchapo are saying, I think we'll just need to wait a few more weeks or a couple of months to see exactly what the 'distancing until autumn' entails.

If it means continued wearing of masks in supermarkets and shops, and restrictions on large scale events ie limited capacity at football stadiums, no music festivals until later in the year and that sort of thing then people I think would generally accept it. Keep pushing the hand washing, and promoting giving space to vulnerable people and other members of the public, staying off work if you develop a cough etc until you're tested. No foreign holidays even, or if so then with strict enforceable quarantine where appropriate. All of the above is sensible.

If you still can't sit in a family members living room having a drink with a few other households and are told to sit apart from them and all the rest of it then I simply cannot see people tolerating this approach much beyond the next 2 or 3 months. And certainly not relaxing only to be in this sort of situation again next winter.

So I hope for visits to family/friends (without limits/distancing where people are vaccinated/pre infected), pubs perhaps with slightly limited capacity, restaurants, sporting events with limited capacity, music events with limited capacity, schools, soft plays and children's activity centres, cinemas, bowling and all the rest of it.

I don't understand why that won't be doable by late spring, early summer, and I think any government will have a hard time from keeping people from this sort of stuff. It can't keep being delayed until the next spring, autumn, summer, whatever.

As soon as the hot weather returns thousands will flock to beauty spots, beaches, hold parties and barbeques and the police will be powerless to prevent it unless they enlist the help of the army. I sense a deep undercurrent of resentment bubbling amongst even many of the law abiding citizens. It will start as a trickle and become a flood.
 
Cos it isn't a rumour that surfaced on Twitter. It comes from the national papers quoting scientists. I get your broader point, but you're achieving nothing putting it down to Twitter rumours when its quite clearly not that.
Is that the same national newspapers that have been reporting conflicting stories what seems like every other hour throughout the pandemic and have been a disgrace from the word go i.e. lockdown now, when is lockdown finishing, why don't we lockdown today or tomorrow why wait, we can't lockdown tomorrow we need more notice etc etc
 
i will tell you what is more confusing Chris Whitty the main guy telling us all to stay at home and act like we have the virus walking down a nice market street in London (admittedly wearing a mask) going to get a burrito from a van in the market .

the video of this is more famous because some nob abused him but the real point is here is the guy telling all us plebs not to go out at all and meanwhile he is enjoying a nice stroll through his local market.

but so long as enough plebs obey the rules we will be fine.

He didn't wear a mask until the lad started filming then he hastily put it on.
 
COVID deaths in Africa increased by 40% last month as South African variant takes hold

Coronavirus deaths in Africa have surged by 40% in the last month, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has revealed.

The numbers push the continent's death toll towards 100,000 since the first reported case there on 14 February 2020.
 
As soon as the hot weather returns thousands will flock to beauty spots, beaches, hold parties and barbeques and the police will be powerless to prevent it unless they enlist the help of the army. I sense a deep undercurrent of resentment bubbling amongst even many of the law abiding citizens. It will start as a trickle and become a flood.

Agree mate. But again I am hopeful that these sort of things won't be restricted by that time. Hopeful isn't even the right word, I'd be mightily pissed off if they were.
 
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