Coronavirus (2021) thread

[twosips]

Feel sick to the stomach. Months of my aunties and brother saying anti-vax conspiracy nonsense to my mum and she's now hesitant re vaccines. An intelligent, usually considered woman. The danger of this stuff. Breaks my heart.

 

[Ban-jani]

The question is how we deal with things in the short term - e.g. are you allowed to go on holiday if you've had the jabs, but other members of your family who are younger, haven't?

I am 28 and won’t be offered one until the summer. I am completely against not being allowed into places here without one but I have no problem with travel, if it makes sense.

It’s tough shit and I’ll have to wait.

 

[Healdplace]

I really am puzzled by these anti vax people. How are they explaining 15 million people having had it without any single media story of something going wrong beyond sore arms and a bit of tiredness that you get with flu jabs much of the time because it is what you will get if you prime your immune system to be on guard. The entire point.

I can see this might have worked before millions were inoculated but how is it remotely credible now?

But if there was a sniff of credibility our doom mongerging media would have been all over it.

 

[RobMCFC]

However, those who do refuse to get the jab, that disadvantage will be brought upon themselves, so have no right to complain if that is what transpires.

Agree 100%. My point was about those who have not yet been offered the jab - but that will likely only be a problem for the next 6 months.

 

[blueparrot]

I really am puzzled by these anti vax people. How are they explaining 15 million people having had it without any single media story of something going wrong beyond sore arms and a bit of tiredness that you get with flu jabs much of the time because it is what you will get if you prime your immune system to be on guard. The entire point.

I can see this might have worked before millions were inoculated but how is it remotely credible now?

Same way they explain flat earth, for every rational explantion they have an answer, and no matter how rational the argumant they have another answer. While the vast majority see it for the complete nonsense it is unfortunately they prey on the gullible.
It’s an argument I had in the flat earth thread that these people will be the same people and while the flat earth argument can be laughed off when they convince their followers of one thing they turn it to anti science propaganda that becomes dangerous and with anti vaccine becomes life threatening.

 

[Bluemoon dan]

Feel sick to the stomach. Months of my aunties and brother saying anti-vax conspiracy nonsense to my mum and she's now hesitant re vaccines. An intelligent, usually considered woman. The danger of this stuff. Breaks my heart.

There was a really good programme on BBC1 last night about vaccines and the conspiracy theories. I'm sure it'll be on the iplayer if you could show her that? I only caught the last 15 minutes of it myself but what I saw was really interesting and picked apart a lot of the anti-vaxxers arguments.

 

[blueparrot]

Feel sick to the stomach. Months of my aunties and brother saying anti-vax conspiracy nonsense to my mum and she's now hesitant re vaccines. An intelligent, usually considered woman. The danger of this stuff. Breaks my heart.

Liked it but in sympathy, obviously.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

I’ve posted about this idiot before but a friend of my wife’s is a community nurse visiting her patients at home or in care homes. She has refused her offered vaccination as in her mid 50s she has become a fanatical vegan so she won’t have it because it has been tested on animals. All the medication she dishes out has been tested on animals FFS.

She has been ranting on to my wife and other friends about her ‘human rights’ as now she has been told she can’t visit patients unless she has it. She is a fucking selfish nutter and if she won’t have it then she’ll have to find another job. Fuck her.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I really am puzzled by these anti vax people. How are they explaining 15 million people having had it without any single media story of something going wrong beyond sore arms and a bit of tiredness that you get with flu jabs much of the time because it is what you will get if you prime your immune system to be on guard. The entire point.

I can see this might have worked before millions were inoculated but how is it remotely credible now?

But if there was a sniff of credibility our doom mongerging media would have been all over it.

Haven't you heard?- it also makes you infertile, that's another one they are offering an excuse...

Looking at some of them, we should be holding them down and jabbing them if that were the case!

Double bubble.

 

[hammocity]

I’ve posted about this idiot before but a friend of my wife’s is a community nurse visiting her patients at home or in care homes. She has refused her offered vaccination as in her mid 50s she has become a fanatical vegan so she won’t have it because it has been tested on animals. All the medication she dishes out has been tested on animals FFS.

She has been ranting on to my wife and other friends about her ‘human rights’ as now she has been told she can’t visit patients unless she has it. She is a fucking selfish nutter and if she won’t have it then she’ll have to find another job. Fuck her.

There was an employment lawyer on the radio yesterday who said under current legislation no one can be sacked for refusing the vaccine but anyone being employed in the future will have to have the jab if the employer insists on it. I'm guessing your wife's friend will have to be reassigned to other duties but as you say, she's selfish and it's beyond belief these people like her are putting others at risk.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Nicola Sturgeon flagged this up a week ago and explained exactly what was happening. I reported it then even though nobody else did in the actual media outside Scotland as far as I saw.

I have been laughed at in here more than once for always reporting her briefings but this is why.

Regardless of motive (and I expect there is often a degree of nationalism anti UK slant as that's her job) she still gives the facts.

The UK government have said nothing but the England vaccination number yesterday was the lowest in weeks.

That was kept quiet.

We only know why because of that briefing a week ago in Scotland. Regardless of why she said it we deserved to be in the loop and it should be coming in the UK press conferences.

We have also been told repeatedly ( I have counted 6 times now in the last 24 hours) by ministers and media that we are still above the peak hospital patients of the first wave.

That is untrue and has been untrue now for 4 days.

If numbers rise today it might change but the trend has been down for three weeks now so hopefully not.

I prefer to hear the facts as they actually are and not the ones people want you to hear for whatever reason they choose to mislead. As free from politics as possible.

This is why I started looking for the data myself and posting it here. To remove the spin.

Then at least you get to decide on the facts not the perception of the facts someone wants you to have.

I thought it was odd that Zahawi this morning said that he was confident on supply overall for the next 6 weeks.

As ever, he waffled and avoided questions far too much, but I thought that was at odds with Sturgeon.

There doesn't seem any good reason to support the thing about peak hospital numbers vs current numbers, which makes it all the more odd.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

There was an employment lawyer on the radio yesterday who said under current legislation no one can be sacked for refusing the vaccine but anyone being employed in the future will have to have the jab if the employer insists on it. I'm guessing your wife's friend will have to be reassigned to other duties but as you say, she's selfish and it's beyond belief these people like her are putting others at risk.

It’s a grey area I think as I’ve also read that you have a responsibility to protect the health and safety of colleagues and others you come into contact with.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

There was an employment lawyer on the radio yesterday who said under current legislation no one can be sacked for refusing the vaccine but anyone being employed in the future will have to have the jab if the employer insists on it. I'm guessing your wife's friend will have to be reassigned to other duties but as you say, she's selfish and it's beyond belief these people like her are putting others at risk.

She can be sacked

 

[mrbelfry]

Every shop or entertainment venue should refuse entry to anyone not vaccinated. Kids shouldn't be allowed in bars anyway and we could finally get rid of the family stand at the Etihad. Education might be a problem so maybe seperate schools for kids from unvaccinated families could be set up.

If people want to go on holiday and not be vaccinated then they shouldn't be allowed to leave the country. We should take passports off them to ensure they don't travel. There are plenty of nice places in england we could set up camps for them.

Businesses should also not be forced to employ unvaccinated people. They bring the rest of the workforce down and many unvaccinated people are stupid and lazy.

We would have to be careful not to remove too many public services from people who haven't been vaccinated so we would need to ensure transport and stuff is still available for them. We would need to be careful that they don't infect the vaccinated so maybe they could have a special seating area at the back of buses or something.

Of course all of these measures are futile if an unvaccinated person can move into my street and infect us all. If I wanted to sell my house and had an unvaccinated family next door i would lose so much value which would be totally unfair. We should provide housing for all the unvaccinated so they can be around people like themselves. Also I would be anxious about my kids playing cricket with a kid from an unvaccinated family.

I can envisage a few problems. Their might be mixed marriages for instance where an unvaccinated guy marries a vaccinated woman. We should try and prevent that happening where possible otherwise the vaccine might get watered down. People who refuse to be vaccinated should actually be discouraged where possible from having children. Unvaccinated people tend to raise unvaccinated children which leads to a cycle of disease. They will be healthier and society will benefit if kids aren't raised in those situations. In some circumstances it might be appropriate to remove children from families and educate them to be more like vaccined people.

I've also heard some vaccinated kids are listening to music from unvaccinated musicians and artists. What if they decide to copy those unvaccinated musicians? Some of this stuff should be banned to protect our kids.

Sorry for the long ramble and I fear i may have neglected to get my booster jab. Luckily i can have my blood tested for vaccine purity to make sure I still have the right quality of blood pumping through my veins. I can't wait to go skiing at half term

 

[Healdplace]

The ONS study of anti bodies looks very positive news for the efficacy of the vaccine.

The over 80s antibody rates rising from 25.7 to 40.9% - biggest increase in any age range since last study.

Pretty strong suggestive evidence that the vaccine did this.

Coinciding with the lowering percentage of over 80s dying in the daily England hospital numbers this is something anti vaxers will need to come up with another way to explain.

It is all but undeniable now the vaccines do what they are designed to do.

 

[hammocity]

Feel sick to the stomach. Months of my aunties and brother saying anti-vax conspiracy nonsense to my mum and she's now hesitant re vaccines. An intelligent, usually considered woman. The danger of this stuff. Breaks my heart.

Just show her some footage of people dying with Covid, no relatives to comfort
them and the agonising death they suffer when they can't breathe, short, sharp shock.

 

[Mike Cledford]

It depends on whether it’s a bloodless transplant or not, so for the majority of them they’d refuse it.

A great shame.

 

[hammocity]

It’s a grey area I think as I’ve also read that you have a responsibility to protect the health and safety of colleagues and others you come into contact with.

He did say there's nothing guaranteed as legislation will evolve possibly on the back of cases where precedent becomes part of the law, @gordondaviesmoustache may have a bit of an insight.

 

[meltonblue]

A great shame.

Very depressing, I agree.

 

[Healdplace]

That anti bodies for Covid study also found three regions - London, North West and West Midlands - in that order of prevalence - had over 20 % of all ages with antibodies. London was around 25% and North West around 22%.

South West at under 12% was the lowest.

The England average was about 18%.