Social conservatism

andyhinch said:
It’s Friday night I’d expect nothing less, but workers get shat on while a few at the top laugh there cocks off, I’d just like a bit more equality.
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This is an overly simplistic view.

People running companies, specifically large ones, have worked unbelievably hard and smart to get there. I’ve worked as a Hod Carrier, I know what graft is but it’s different to how people run businesses.

If you’re on about Jeff Bezos and people like that, I agree, there’s no need for their wealth, give most of it back lads ffs.

But our CEO was faxing CVs 10 years ago and she’s worked 60 hours a week since, to get where she is. She’s earned it.

I am only winding you up with the middle class comment by the way, I do remember you after all.
 
Ban-jani said:
This is an overly simplistic view.

People running companies, specifically large ones, have worked unbelievably hard and smart to get there. I’ve worked as a Hod Carrier, I know what graft is but it’s different to how people run businesses.

If you’re on about Jeff Bezos and people like that, I agree, there’s no need for their wealth, give most of it back lads ffs.

But our CEO was faxing CVs 10 years ago and she’s worked 60 hours a week since, to get where she is. She’s earned it.

I am only winding you up with the middle class comment by the way, I do remember you after all.
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I was the managing director of a medium sized engineering company admittedly it’s no Microsoft, are you saying I’m not middle class, I shop in Waitrose, but security follow me round :-)
 
andyhinch said:
I was the managing director of a medium sized engineering company admittedly it’s no Microsoft, are you saying I’m not middle class, I shop in Waitrose, but security follow me round :-)
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You’re obviously new money scum
 
andyhinch said:
I’d be scum without money, some people are born that way :-)
Edit my dad was a director of ICI but I was still a ****.
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If I didn't get my way with an education I'd have been pushed into having a knife, it's how it is.
 
Don't get the desire to impose on others values derived from received wisdoms.
Seems to me that this term is a polite way of masking a fear of women, their rights and their power, a fear of any challenge to a rather archaic version of male sexuality, their place at the top of the social hierarchy and any challenge to the dominant homogeneity in which they wallow and from which they prosper.

This is not a challenge to prove me wrong btw because i will not;

a) Indulge ad hominems
b) accept reframing of concept or content (i.e backtracking and claims of misunderstanding)
c) claims to understand my politics or stereotyping of my political viewpoint(s).
d) crass stupidity disguised as a joke by the addition of a winky emoji
e) <)\\\<
f) ;)
 
lloydie said:
Don't get the desire to impose on others values derived from received wisdoms.
Seems to me that this term is a polite way of masking a fear of women, their rights and their power, a fear of any challenge to a rather archaic version of male sexuality, their place at the top of the social hierarchy and any challenge to the dominant homogeneity in which they wallow and from which they prosper.

This is not a challenge to prove me wrong btw because i will not;

a) Indulge ad hominems
b) accept reframing of concept or content (i.e backtracking and claims of misunderstanding)
c) claims to understand my politics or stereotyping of my political viewpoint(s).
d) crass stupidity disguised as a joke by the addition of a winky emoji
e) <)\\\<
f) ;)
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I made a woman my head engineer, why would you be frightened of them ? They're people, some good some bad, I wouldn’t talk to a woman in a bar or at work any different to I would a man
 
andyhinch said:
I made a woman my head engineer, why would you be frightened of them ? They're people, some good some bad, I wouldn’t talk to a woman in a bar or at work any different to I would a man
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He’s implying because conservatives have a definition of what men and women should be, we are somehow afraid of women.

It’s a nonsense basically.

In reality I think men have a responsibility to protect women at all costs and should treat them with the utmost respect. I love women and my female friends and family.

It’s post modern Leftist revisionism that there is no difference between men and women, pseudoscience if you will.
 
Ban-jani said:
He’s implying because conservatives have a definition of what men and women should be, we are somehow afraid of women.

It’s a nonsense basically.

In reality I think men have a responsibility to protect women at all costs and should treat them with the utmost respect. I love women and my female friends and family.

It’s post modern Leftist revisionism that there is no difference between men and women, pseudoscience if you will.
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Point a) and point c).
 
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andyhinch said:
I made a woman my head engineer, why would you be frightened of them ? They're people, some good some bad, I wouldn’t talk to a woman in a bar or at work any different to I would a man
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Not saying you would, if you believe in an equality in the diversity of individuals and of family structures there is no reason you should.
 
Ban-jani said:
He’s implying because conservatives have a definition of what men and women should be, we are somehow afraid of women.

It’s a nonsense basically.

In reality I think men have a responsibility to protect women at all costs and should treat them with the utmost respect. I love women and my female friends and family.

It’s post modern Leftist revisionism that there is no difference between men and women, pseudoscience if you will.
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That’s bollocks I know women that can wipe the floor with men, treat them as equals although a lot are better unequal pay is utter bullshit, have you seen how many make it to the top ? it’s just boys at the top clinging on. They are constantly regarded as second class. It’s clinging on to powers most shouldn’t be endowed with.
 
lloydie said:
Not saying you would, if you believe in an equality in the diversity of individuals and of family structures there is no reason you shouldn't.
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Of course you should speak to a woman differently at a bar.

Might just be me but I’ve been brought up not to swear in front of women, not to swear at them, not to threaten them if they’re being out of line.

All these things I would do to a man that had crossed the line or I was joking with.

Again, might just be me but I wouldn’t say the f or c word with a lady present.
 
andyhinch said:
That’s bollocks I know women that can wipe the floor with men, treat them as equals although a lot are better unequal pay is utter bullshit, have you seen how many make it to the top ? it’s just boys at the top clinging on. They are constantly regarded as second class. It’s clinging on to powers most shouldn’t be endowed with.
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No I will not, I treat women better than men and I always will do.

The reason so little make it to the top is because they on average don’t work as many hours and many choose to have children.

That is far far more important than becoming a CEO.
 
Ban-jani said:
Of course you should speak to a woman differently at a bar.

Might just be me but I’ve been brought up not to swear in front of women, not to swear at them, not to threaten them if they’re being out of line.

All these things I would do to a man that had crossed the line or I was joking with.

Again, might just be me but I wouldn’t say the f or c word with a lady present.
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Women swear as much as men ffs, we’re you born in the 1890’s ?
 
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