Keir Starmer

OP. Can you change the name of this thread to a more appropriate one.

Final Nail Starmer.

That's my new name for the useless ****. He is the final nail in a Labour coffin full of them. His speech today was beyond pitiful. A disastrously handled pandemic. The Brexit Chicken now home and roosting gloriously. The economy bust. Billions given to Tory crooks and he's behind Johnson in the polls. His Branch office here in Scotland even worse, I shit you not. So, come on, give him.and this thread the name that reflects both him and the party he leads.

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Mathew, I've just set out my vision of a new chapter for Britain's economy. A future built on the values of opportunity and security for families and businesses.


There can be no return to business as usual. As we emerge from the pandemic, this must now be a moment to think again about the country that we want to be.


In a speech earlier today, I announced that Labour would forge a new contract with the British people, introducing British Recovery Bonds to give households a stake in our country's future and a role in creating the infrastructure of tomorrow.


Together, we would invest in a new generation of British entrepreneurs by providing start-up loans for 100,000 businesses, making sure support and opportunity is spread across the country.


Coronavirus has pulled back the curtain on the deep inequalities and injustices in Britain, a result of a failed ideology that weakened Britain's foundations and left us exposed to the pandemic.


This is no time for a second wave of austerity or tax rises on businesses and families.


Reversing Tory cuts to Universal Credit, properly funding local councils, giving our key workers the pay rise they deserve - there is a real alternative to Boris Johnson's approach.


And as Labour members, we must share that secure, prosperous new chapter for Britain under Labour with our friends, families and communities.


Under my leadership, Labour will equip Britain for the opportunities of the future.


Keir Starmer

Leader of the Labour Party
 
mat said:
Same Luke warm reaction?
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The bonds are about dealing with now post covid not a look to the future and were sugested by the new northern tory group a few weeks back

Hence starmer cannot affect this anyway.


The loan scheme is jsut a rehash of microcredit, which is still unproven if it actually helps people climb out of poverty or adds to their debts.


So yeah unerwhelmed as nothing I haven't heard before.
 
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joe123 said:
Much better here being questioned on C4. Maybe speeches aren’t his thing.
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To be fair to him it must be hard giving a speech to an empty hall. There was nobody there to listen and therefore nobody from which to gauge reaction from. I have tried giving talks over Zoom and its just not the same as having people in the room, because you stay on script, with people in the room, you can judge the mood and ad lib, throw in anecdotes and go off on tangents, in other words make it interesting.

As much as the god bothering "social conservative" halfwit keeps banging on about Corbyn, we have moved on from there and we need a Labour leader that shows some passion and some instinct for what appeals not just to the right of the party. He could throw the left a bone and then as usually happens the left will fall in behind him because he is a better option than the fucking clowns we have destroying the country at the moment. He seems determined though to ostracise the left completely and although the likes of the god bothering halfwit continually dismisses the left he has no real understanding of the left and why they would back Starmer if he chose to embrace the left rather than dismiss the left.
 
joe123 said:
Much better here being questioned on C4. Maybe speeches aren’t his thing.
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Maybe straight to camera isn't his thing.

But it is a bit of a gamble strategy, appealing to the good taste and common sense of the electorate. Lying works so much better.
 
David Millibland gave Keith his seal of approval on Sky News an hour ago. All the former new labour bods seem to be popping up in the media again. Just waiting for Blunkett's dog to appear on BBC saying even his owner can see Starmer is a winner.
 
mat said:
David Millibland gave Keith his seal of approval on Sky News an hour ago. All the former new labour bods seem to be popping up in the media again. Just waiting for Blunkett's dog to appear on BBC saying even his owner can see Starmer is a winner.
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Blunkett wasn't impressed by the speech.

Even his dog thought it was a bit ruff.
 
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I would have loved Starmer to say this.

By redeploying the resources capitalism has so considerately stored up for us, socialism can allow the economic to take more of a backseat. It will not evaporate, but it will become less obtrusive. To enjoy a sufficiency of goods means not to have to think about money all the time. It frees us for less tedious pursuits. Far from being obsessed with economic matters, Marx saw them as a travesty of true human potential. He wanted society where the economic no longer monopolised so much time and energy.

That our ancestors should have been so preoccupied with material matters is understandable. When you can produce only a slim economic surplus, or scarcely any surplus at all, you will perish without ceaseless hard labour. Capitalism, however, generates the sort of surplus that really could be used to increase leisure on a sizeable scale. The irony is that it creates this wealth in a way that demands constant accumulation and expansion, and thus constant labour. It also creates it in ways that generate poverty and hardship. It is a self-thwarting system. As a result, modern men and women, surrounded by an affluence unimaginable to hunter-gatherers, ancient slaves or feudal serfs, end up working as long and hard as these predecessors ever did. Marx's work is all about human enjoyment. The good life for him is not one of labour but of leisure.

Credit to Terry Eagleton. Professor of English Literature at Lancaster University.
 
bluethrunthru said:
thats his problem - one on one at PMQ's he can show Johnson up with his recollection of facts and clear hard questioning that leaves Johnson floundering. He made a lot of decent points in his speech but delivered them poorly - if he could deliver that sort of fact in the manner of say a Kinnock when he took on militant at the Party Conference he could inspire people but that was too reminiscent of that Steeve Coogan "nobody died " character
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He’s not going for a job as a Saturday evening gameshow presenter. All that matters are his policies.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
He’s not going for a job as a Saturday evening gameshow presenter. All that matters are his policies.
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Which are?

Strarmers problen and the team around them is theu have put forward quite a lot of policy ideas, normally in two's, then they never bring them up again, thehm a few weeks past he makes aspeach and put a few more ideas about, but as he never fleshed out the last people have already forgotten them.

His detractors both on the right and the left use the arfuement he has too many short term ideas which as the opposition he cannot effect but also not enough long term policies.

No one denies his ranking as the most polpular and likeable labour leader amongst the general public since blair, but his is gaining no points on whether he is a considered a capable leader or Prime Minnesterial and on the crucial one for any Labour leader, if he is trusted with the economy.
 
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