United (H) Post Match Thread

domalino said:
Jesus was doing what our forwards always do, it's one of the cornerstones of our play - you lose the ball, you get it back.

5 or 6 times a game you will see Sterling or Foden or Jesus chase back 30-40 yards to make up for losing the ball, he just got a bit overeager at the start of a derby.

90% of the time everyone applauds, the rest of the time they give a foul and kill the counter...no one's done it in our box before that I can remember.

Silly mistake but we had 95 minutes to make up for it and created plenty of chances.
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Agree but also you don't risk a bad challenge in the box particularly when you have two colleagues making sure everything is under control.
It was totally unnecessary but the boy will learn from the experience.
 
Bad day at the office which is made worse because its the Derby, Pep knew they would play on counter attack so no idea why he picked our 3 slowest midfileders to deal with that. Missed the spark of Foden and Bernardo. And if one thing stood out was how much we need a clinical striker. We go again on Wednesday and hopefully on Sat night we could be 17 points clear of United before they play again. CTWD
 
I like Jesus there I said it lol. But I think a Jesus without Phil and Bernie in the team is only half the player.

That front 4 of Jesus, Foden, Sterling, Bernie will give the defenders no time on the ball. To me that is Citys best attacking line up. One I would have started with yesterday.
The utd back line was never pressed was never attacked at speed.
That front 4 can operate all along the front line the defenders dont know who to mark. Jesus, Sterling and marhez doesnt work well.
 
nellyonthewing said:
Maybe Kev had a lot more respect for the core of the old team David Silva ,Kun , Vinny and Fern but looks at the current bunch and thinks these lot aren’t of that same standard . It looks like he’s in a different wavelength . I wouldn’t be surprised if he thought I don’t fit in here.
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If that’s what he is thinking he should look at his own performances first and stop throwing his arms around. He should not have walked back into the side on his current performances sends the wrong message to Bernie and Foden.
 
willipp said:
We played totally into their hands. They were under increasing pressure after results against top 6 teams away, not scoring against palace, didnt score at chelsea or arsenal, so to gift them a penalty inside 40 seconds just screwed up everything. They were happy to let us have 70% possession and just allowed us to play in front of them but made sure we didnt get in behind. Who knows what would of happened if Jesus hadn't fucked up massively, but that moment pretty much set the tone for the whole game.
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By now, we must have the mentality to overcome setbacks. The ten minutes after the penalty told me we still have a way to go. Instead of calmness we got players trying to hard to make up for the mistake. We might well have shipped another goal quite easily.
 
Marvin said:
I think you're over reacting a bit. We weren't that bad. I genuinely thought we could draw that game until about the 80th minute mark. They were under a lot of pressure.

I think it's a good thing that we get a reminder of the importance of high intensity and quality possession in a game that is not going to do us great damage but will shock us. We might learn something from it. KDB needs to get fitter or not play. Ashe has returned from injury, Bernardo or Foden have gone back to the bench and I don't like that. We should be forcing the opponent into losing the ball but we can't do that with KDB in the side. He doesn't have the intensity to his game to do this. He's still a fine player but I prefer Foden and Bernardo.

Keep faith with Jesus. He made a mistake.
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I thought from a tactical point of view it was our worst performance of the season (apart from Leicester). We played into their hands and it was a repeat of previous matches against them at the Etihad. Walker would have stopped Shaw getting foward, Foden would have skinned Wan Bissaka, and Bernardo would have run them ragged in midfield stopping counter attacks and creating space for Mahrez and Jesus. Most on here called it before the match and so did the pals I spoke to before the game. For me it was as bad as the Lyon match.
 
That is 3 out of the last 4 PL derbies that we have looked toothless against them, and they have won the game in the exact same manner. They're really not a good team, but we should know by now that they really get up for this game with this muppet in charge and some of our lads (inc Pep) need to get it in their fucking heads that this derby is the biggest in the country. Maybe they've been led to believe it isn't by the media, Scousers and Rag fans, but it's not true.

Kevin had an absolute mare yesterday and he's been poor since he's comeback. Obviously he is capable of things nobody else is, but the least we have got from him in the past is running. He didn't do that yesterday, losing the ball and walking back into position, that's why IMO as bad as Cancelo and Sterling were, Kevin was the worst of the lot. If he is playing in this team and is going to be a passenger, then he can only play in the 9 at the moment. I understand why he started that team, but it was pretty evident early on that we needed energy and to not get Foden & Bernardo on early is criminal.
 
Keeper! said:
Like it or not, they are 2nd in the table, at this stage of the season the table does not lie.
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It is clear that United are a good counter-attacking team but they are limited technically and have only one game plan. This is what makes our performance yesterday totally stupid. I honestly thought we had finally learned how to play counter attacking teams...by sitting back and playing over them like we did against Spurs. A 0-0 would have been a good result for us yesterday. I thought we had turned into the new calm and ruthless City but what we saw yesterday was the old fragile City. Let's hope we never see it again.
 
give it to gordon said:
I like Jesus there I said it lol. But I think a Jesus without Phil and Bernie in the team is only half the player.

That front 4 of Jesus, Foden, Sterling, Bernie will give the defenders no time on the ball. To me that is Citys best attacking line up. One I would have started with yesterday.
The utd back line was never pressed was never attacked at speed.
That front 4 can operate all along the front line the defenders dont know who to mark. Jesus, Sterling and marhez doesnt work well.
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Totally agree, that the front group for me. I think Fidel is an easy drop for Pep as he’s young probably doesn’t moan. Mahrez 1 good game in 4 Foden 3 in 5.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
It is clear that United are a good counter-attacking team but they are limited technically and have only one game plan. This is what makes our performance yesterday totally stupid. I honestly thought we had finally learned how to play counter attacking teams. By sitting back and playing over them like we did against Spurs. A 0-0 would have been a good result for us yesterday. I thought we had turned into the new calm and ruthless City but what we saw yesterday was the old fragile City. Let's hope we never see it again.
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Can't play for a 0-0, when your forward decides to give away a pen from the 1st minute off.

I firmly believe the game plan was supposed to be more cautious and let the Rags come to us, but being down 0-1 at less than 5 minutes wrecked that.
 
Still gutted about the result and frustrated about the starting line up and tactics but trying to tell myself that it is better to get a wake up call in a match that will probably not affect what trophies we win this season.
I thought that United actually played boldly - we should have been able to take advantage of their high line but could not do so.
KdB needs to reflect on his performance and attitude - he is an amazing player but needs to serve the team not his own ego.
 
Akira said:
Can't play for a 0-0, when your forward decides to give away a pen from the 1st minute off.

I firmly believe the game plan was supposed to be more cautious and let the Rags come to us, but being down 0-1 at less than 5 minutes wrecked that.
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I was not suggesting playing for a 0-0 and you are right that the penalty ruined things. My point was we should have swamped the midfield like we did in the League Cup semi and played a false number 9. Our basic standpoint should have been we would not allow any counter attacks. We could have picked them off when they ran out of steam in the second half. We started with the wrong formation and I am sure Pep and the players are well aware of that today. We have been mugged three times in recent years by United at the Etihad and each match was exactly the same.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
It is clear that United are a good counter-attacking team but they are limited technically and have only one game plan. This is what makes our performance yesterday totally stupid. I honestly thought we had finally learned how to play counter attacking teams...by sitting back and playing over them like we did against Spurs. A 0-0 would have been a good result for us yesterday. I thought we had turned into the new calm and ruthless City but what we saw yesterday was the old fragile City. Let's hope we never see it again.
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The derby is a big game. Yaya gone, Kompany gone, Aguero on the bench.. where are our big game players???
 
Despite us still being 11 points clear, this defeat has hurt more than it should, even my post match media blackout isn’t cutting the mustard ... I’m not going to start wading in on individuals or indeed, slating the team after the unbelievable run they have put together, I just wish I could let them know how much this one has stung in spite of everything.

Only a win against Southampton will put this anywhere near being consigned to the bin of shame, with all the other defeats against these cunts, despite them being nowhere near us as a team... !
 
The emotion of a derby defeat often clouds some basic facts , we created enough chances to win this game and we fluffed them , they created chances and took a couple of them . They were not the better team , they played on the break and defended for their lives a common theme in recent derby games , our profligacy cost us the game as much as Pep's poor team selection.
 
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