Corruption in English football?

Blue Mist said:
I may have your answer. It is widely reported that in November last year the Chinese owner of Southampton wants to sell and was using their good results to up the sale price. Since then things have gone downhill.
Last night at 1-1 it was a clear penalty and the keeper sent off. If a 9 - 1 thrashing followed some very rich important people would be very upset.
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It's an interesting theory. But what is more plausible, that

1) a Chinese businessman paid money to (or perhaps threatened?) a whole lot of persons in various positions to somehow alter the outcome of a game in the PL, or

2) that the game ref made an obvious error, which everyone with eyes will agree with, but the VAR felt he lacked enough data to alter the decision? Or maybe them two hacks are friends, and the VAR didn't want to belittle his buddy?

Occam's razor, etc...


I absolutely do not rule out the possibility of the game being bent to some extent, and that there are corrupt individuals associated with the PL, all the way from staff, players, ref's, and media people.
I think it's possible that this could be taking place far more than what we are aware of, as it would only concern very very few people who likely acted on their own and not as a part of an organized group.

But if ref's were bought, if media profiles were bought, that would have to involve an extremely large group of people, and I just can't imaging it being kept under the radar for so very long.
Would becoming a corrupt ref mean they get paid off? Why else would they do it? Then how? Cash? Money isn't that easy to come by without eyebrows being raised.

And who would be at the very tip of the Corruption pyramid? Who pulls the stings? A conglomerate based on several individuals?

I don't know mate... I just feel, or maybe it's just my hope (due to the love of the sport), that such a horrible and rotten thing as an organized collective manipulating the results, - simply could not happen. It just would require to many people being involved, and sooner or later one of them, just one, would come clear and blow the whistle.
 
Matt the Giant said:
It's an interesting theory. But what is more plausible, that

1) a Chinese businessman paid money to (or perhaps threatened?) a whole lot of persons in various positions to somehow alter the outcome of a game in the PL, or

2) that the game ref made an obvious error, which everyone with eyes will agree with, but the VAR felt he lacked enough data to alter the decision? Or maybe them two hacks are friends, and the VAR didn't want to belittle his buddy?

Occam's razor, etc...


I absolutely do not rule out the possibility of the game being bent to some extent, and that there are corrupt individuals associated with the PL, all the way from staff, players, ref's, and media people.
I think it's possible that this could be taking place far more than what we are aware of, as it would only concern very very few people who likely acted on their own and not as a part of an organized group.

But if ref's were bought, if media profiles were bought, that would have to involve an extremely large group of people, and I just can't imaging it being kept under the radar for so very long.
Would becoming a corrupt ref mean they get paid off? Why else would they do it? Then how? Cash? Money isn't that easy to come by without eyebrows being raised.

And who would be at the very tip of the Corruption pyramid? Who pulls the stings? A conglomerate based on several individuals?

I don't know mate... I just feel, or maybe it's just my hope (due to the love of the sport), that such a horrible and rotten thing as an organized collective manipulating the results, - simply could not happen. It just would require to many people being involved, and sooner or later one of them, just one, would come clear and blow the whistle.
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Mark Halsey tried and was ignored. Calciopoli showed that a small group of 'elite' referees can be bought.
 
Matt the Giant said:
It's an interesting theory. But what is more plausible, that

1) a Chinese businessman paid money to (or perhaps threatened?) a whole lot of persons in various positions to somehow alter the outcome of a game in the PL, or

2) that the game ref made an obvious error, which everyone with eyes will agree with, but the VAR felt he lacked enough data to alter the decision? Or maybe them two hacks are friends, and the VAR didn't want to belittle his buddy?

Occam's razor, etc...


I absolutely do not rule out the possibility of the game being bent to some extent, and that there are corrupt individuals associated with the PL, all the way from staff, players, ref's, and media people.
I think it's possible that this could be taking place far more than what we are aware of, as it would only concern very very few people who likely acted on their own and not as a part of an organized group.

But if ref's were bought, if media profiles were bought, that would have to involve an extremely large group of people, and I just can't imaging it being kept under the radar for so very long.
Would becoming a corrupt ref mean they get paid off? Why else would they do it? Then how? Cash? Money isn't that easy to come by without eyebrows being raised.

And who would be at the very tip of the Corruption pyramid? Who pulls the stings? A conglomerate based on several individuals?

I don't know mate... I just feel, or maybe it's just my hope (due to the love of the sport), that such a horrible and rotten thing as an organized collective manipulating the results, - simply could not happen. It just would require to many people being involved, and sooner or later one of them, just one, would come clear and blow the whistle.
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It took me seconds to find out about the saints owner looking to sell. I merely offer it as a reason because last night was bizarre. Not one media outlet I have read said their pen was legit and they all agree ours was nailed on.
Two very important decisions at key times in a match. The first got them back in the game the second kept them in it.
Maybe the premier league want a close finish to ensure revenue
 
Blue Mist said:
It took me seconds to find out about the saints owner looking to sell. I merely offer it as a reason because last night was bizarre. Not one media outlet I have read said their pen was legit and they all agree ours was nailed on.
Two very important decisions at key times in a match. The first got them back in the game the second kept them in it.
Maybe the premier league want a close finish to ensure revenue
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Absolutely spot on,although don’t know about wanting a close finish to the season more about manipulating results or outcomes in games if possible,the wolves game was a similar situation Laporte goal disallowed would have been 2-0 HT and you could say possibly game done..
 
Blue Mist said:
It took me seconds to find out about the saints owner looking to sell. I merely offer it as a reason because last night was bizarre. Not one media outlet I have read said their pen was legit and they all agree ours was nailed on.
Two very important decisions at key times in a match. The first got them back in the game the second kept them in it.
Maybe the premier league want a close finish to ensure revenue
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Last was indeed bizarre, and I there have been other instances similarly hard to understand, not only concerning City.

It's not all all impossible, especially when such a huge amount of money is involved... but again, so many individuals would have to be involved.



Do you rule out that we as a club are a part of any such foul play? We went from getting the hardest possible cup draws to very kind ones.
 
Matt the Giant said:
Last was indeed bizarre, and I there have been other instances similarly hard to understand, not only concerning City.

It's not all all impossible, especially when such a huge amount of money is involved... but again, so many individuals would have to be involved.



Do you rule out that we as a club are a part of any such foul play? We went from getting the hardest possible cup draws to very kind ones.
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Taking your last point first, that on its own is bizarre. I do not believe in balls being warmed up etc but hell it is now the total opposite. I would hope we are not complicit in any corruption. Second, the Milan goal that was ruled out tonight was as bizarre as our non penalty and I can only think it was a direct order to var to disallow it. Not even Scholes knew why it was disallowed
 
I have been keeping an eye on the odds for utd to win the title for the last couple of months.
After our win against wolves the odds for utd to win the league was 400/1.
Now there are two ways which these odds will change. One is another match being played and the odds changing on the result. Or money being put on it.
Now considering no ball was kicked between wolves and the Derby utd odds to win the title shortened from 400 to 125/1. That's serious money to shorten that much without another game being played and then you get the refs performance last night.
And a successful utd is good for business
 
aguero93:20 said:
Mark Halsey tried and was ignored. Calciopoli showed that a small group of 'elite' referees can be bought.
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Or the Portuguese Apito Dourado scandal, that showed not only can referees be bought, but even after there are enough people in positions of power to brush everything under the carpet. They even had wiretaps of them talking about doing it, a confession from the referee (on fear he might "go missing") and they still got away with it because they had enough friends in high places.
 
Also don't forget corruption doesn't have to be about money. If you annoyed the GPC you didn't ref them again and so missed all the so called big games. Throw in cup finals that you can be promised and refs find that if they want the big games they have do what they are told.
 
If the rags were level on points with City with two games left to play and a -10 goal difference, they would win both games 7-0. I'd put all my money on that.
 
How do you explain people who can make decisions & those commentating telling the viewers they have seen something entirely different to the watching public even with the benefit of replays.

I think only cos Madison & other Pros tweeted did it get any traction & the narrative was changed to that’s why players dive not wtf has happened & how is it possible with VAR.

it’s not VAR that makes decisions, it’s people watching a Fcking video.
 
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Yet the corrupt and bent bast*ard officials at Stockley Park still said it wasn't a penalty. They didn't even ask Moss to look at it on the monitor.

As per, nothing from Atkinson, Riley, or the PL.

I will bet my life on it. If that was Fernandes at OT instead of Foden at the Etihad, the penalty would have been given by VAR.
 
swinton blue said:
I have been keeping an eye on the odds for utd to win the title for the last couple of months.
After our win against wolves the odds for utd to win the league was 400/1.
Now there are two ways which these odds will change. One is another match being played and the odds changing on the result. Or money being put on it.
Now considering no ball was kicked between wolves and the Derby utd odds to win the title shortened from 400 to 125/1. That's serious money to shorten that much without another game being played and then you get the refs performance last night.
And a successful utd is good for business
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Serious Money? It would only take a few hundred quid to shift 400/1 to 125/1, even then they'd be offering 200/1 for part of the bet.
 
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