Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

GM Weekly Pop Scores after today:~

Borough / Score Today / Score 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop scores going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop Score is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.



Oldham 110 / 109 UP 1 Testing positive 9.5%

Bolton 110 / 107/ UP 3 Testing positive 8.9%

Tameside 99 / 124 / Down 25 Testing positive 8.0%

Rochdale 99 / 105 / Down 6 Testing positive 9.4%

Manchester 97 / 96 / UP 1 Testing positive 9.4%

Wigan 81 / 103 / Down 22 Testing positive 8.7%

Salford 79 / 109 / Down 30 Testing positive 8.8%

Trafford 73 / 45 / UP 28 Testing positive 6.9%

Stockport 68 / 78 / Down 10 Testing positive 7.0%

Bury 66/ 98 / Down 32 Testing positive 8.9%





Stockport lost a bit of ground and Bury takes full advantage to leapfrog over to claim the lowest Weekly Pop Score ahead of both Stockport and Trafford - something it has never done before. Trafford lost another 1 on the overall Pop score to Stockport too. Four day running the gap has closed but it still very far ahead at 177.

But the lowest in Manchester is once more starting to be a scrap involving those three and Wigan which was also very much low numbers before last August. So the old order returning is a sign of normality

Weekly cases: Bury top on 127. Trafford falling back in second at 173 after weeks on top. Stockport exactly 200.

Others Bolton 318, Manchester 534, Oldham 261, Rochdale 220, Salford 203, Tameside 224, Wigan 266

 

[True_Blue69]

Just been talking to my son in law a deputy head of a Primary School. It's scary how a year of Covid-19 has affected young children. Loads of them have forgotten how to play with each each other.
Scary stuff going forward with the amount of psychological issues that the kids will have going forwards.

I’m not too sure on that, kids are incredibly resilient and as the father of a 5 year old girl who has been home schooled for most of the last year, I don’t think has had any impact on her at all. In fact her reading, writing and maths has actually massively improved with the 1-1 teaching.

 

[unicorn]

HOSPITAL DATA

A little better today with the fall resuming all be it at a slower pace and some areas more than others. Including the North West. And UK patients fall below 4000 today also which is very good news.


England only:-


ADMISSIONS:-

221 Covid admissions (28 March) following 217, 245, 283, 277, 295, 294, 279 in the week before.


PATIENTS:-

Patients down in day by 183 to 3283 v 4245 last week :- lowest since 9 October.

Peak was 34, 336 on 18 Jan (fall 31, 053 in 71 days)

Continued positive news on the metrics that matter. Less than one admission per acute hospital, and that's nearing a 25% fall in patient numbers in England in a week.


Thanks for the data @Healdplace

 

[True_Blue69]

Look at those dickheads in Nottingham. British people are some of the worst so ignorant. Sooner I get out this country the better

Here we go not had a slag the brits off post for a while. We have had the toughest lockdown in Europe and has been incredibly well respected by the vast vast majority. There’s now a lot of evidence that it barely transmits outside so good on them for enjoying the 2 days of sun we are getting.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Good points well made , population density clearly has an impact on spread and subsequent death toll.

I believe mask wearing while community transmission in an issue should be compulsory but not when the health officials state its confined to quarantine settings.

Be interesting if it can be established how many deaths can be prevented by appropriate mask wearing.

We should have done what Germany did in January and mandated surgical grade face masks. That’s stopped Covid in it’s tracks over there.............
Bit like lockdowns really. They work so well that some countries are about to start their fourth one.....
At least both of those interventions have now got huge amounts of published evidence for their efficacy!!

 

[Two Gun Bob]

A peculiar side effect of the pandemic seems to be girls dropping their knickers in public and peeing in front of everyone. The world is more beautiful when we're not around.

Not as bad as the Bristol riots were a brace of degenerate Trostky Trollops coiled one out in front of police officers shield.

Loose Women indeed !

https://eminetra.co.uk/bristol-riot...-kill-the-bill-demonstrations-uk-news/367004/

 

[cleavers]

Can someone explain how the cases by specimen date for 28th March is 4,489, yet the reported on data for 28th is only 4,040 ?

 

[blueish swede]

How do we feel Sweden with no hard lockdowns but with border lockdowns as such have faired compared to the likes of UK , France , Spain , Italy , Hungary , Belgium to date.

I note that their deaths per millions is lower than that of the countries mentioned above.

I read an interesting report on their approach and noted that they apparently had no structure in place to combat outside PPE and social norms and basic hygiene the regular contact between the generally younger involved in nursing home , day care and home care services and their elderly residents.

over 75 per cent the deaths recorded to date have come from these settings.

Their death rates to covid or at least attributed to covid don't compare that well to their near neighbours but excess deaths do.

An interesting read

Sweden has avoided a COVID-19 lockdown so far: Has its strategy worked?

Sweden has drawn both international praise and criticism for its decision to stay open during the pandemic. ABC News looks at how their strategy has played out.

abcnews.go.com

I read the excess deaths for 2020 was just over 5000 in Sweden, which is aboout half of the Covid number.

I've posted this a few times but Sweden can really be divided into Stockholm ad everywhere else. Stockholm accounts for about 1/3 of all deaths.
Over 80s account for 69% of all deaths. In the first wave Care homes in Stockholm took a real hammering. People tend to live at home as long as they can here, care home residents are generally quite ill and therefore vunerable. Immigrant families were hit hard too in the spring, where they live in multi-generational households. No one really understood about asymptomatic cases back then. That cost a lot of lives.

Some people think Sweden's route has been a disaster, others a boon - my life has been pretty normal throughout.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Here we go not had a slag the brits off post for a while. We have had the toughest lockdown in Europe and has been incredibly well respected by the vast vast majority. There’s now a lot of evidence that it barely transmits outside so good on them for enjoying the 2 days of sun we are getting.

Too right

 

[feedthegoat27]

Here we go not had a slag the brits off post for a while. We have had the toughest lockdown in Europe and has been incredibly well respected by the vast vast majority. There’s now a lot of evidence that it barely transmits outside so good on them for enjoying the 2 days of sun we are getting.

Have we had the toughest lockdown?

We've had a prolonged lockdown/s but I'm not sure it's been ''tougher'' than places like Spain where it was very strict, ditto for Italy.....and in Greece didn't they have to text a Government number to get permission to leave their house?
Whereas we've had garden centres open and coffee shops selling take out drinks etc

Not that it's a competition or anything but I'm not sure we can lay claim to the toughest lockdown.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Have we had the toughest lockdown?

We've had a prolonged lockdown/s but I'm not sure it's been ''tougher'' than places like Spain where it was very strict, ditto for Italy.....and in Greece didn't they have to text a Government number to get permission to leave their house?
Whereas we've had garden centres open and coffee shops selling take out drinks etc

Not that it's a competition or anything but I'm not sure we can lay claim to the toughest lockdown.

I‘m pretty sure there was a study referenced on here recently where we are categorised as having had the toughest lockdown.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Really?
What lock down?
The only thing I haven’t been able to do that I did before were travel abroad, play golf, shop at IKEA and eat in restaurants!

 

[feedthegoat27]

I‘m pretty sure there was a study referenced on here recently where we are categorised as having had the toughest lockdown.

Fair enough if so.

It's certainly not been a walk in the park (no pun intended), but equally, to me at least, it doesn't feel quite as strict/tough as some other countries have faced, particularly this time last year when shit hit the fan.

I guess 'tough' is quite subjective although I'm sure there is a way to measure all lockdown aspects and come out with the winner/loser.

 

[shemnel]

Can someone explain how the cases by specimen date for 28th March is 4,489, yet the reported on data for 28th is only 4,040 ?

Today is the 30th, reporting date = 30th, so two lots of data (29th and 30th) have fed into that total for the 28th.

In PCR tests up to a few weeks ago, barely any tests would be reported today with a specimen date of 29th and not a right lot for the 28th + 29th BUT the LFT tests are nearly instant plus I think there's an online reporting tool where you can log results if you're doing it at home (eg school kids) so we're in a new phase where the bulk of reported tests are actually withing quite a recent time frame

It's just the old specimen date Vs reported date thing, but with a new angle

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Have we had the toughest lockdown?

There's a stringency index here.

I've put a few countries in for comparison.

This year, we've had pretty much the hardest lock down in the world.

Last year, I think some were worse.

COVID-19 Data Explorer

Explore global data on COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

 

[shemnel]

been out and about today around ancoats the new islington ?? crazy amount of people on the canals mixing like nothing has happened ?? no mask bunches of people all within touching distance crazy

we will never learn and you can bet most of the uk is the same ? i will give it a week and death will be rising fast

Well, perhaps we should stay positive, I've read time and again how we're ignoring everything and people are crazy and so on, and yet cases and admissions continue to fall. Weirdly I'd almost be more worried if everyone was shut in completely and ready to venture out, at least this way there's not such a huge step change? We wait, that's all we can do.

 

[M18CTID]

There's a stringency index here.

I've put a few countries in for comparison.

This year, we've had pretty much the hardest lock down in the world.

Last year, I think some were worse.

View attachment 13417

COVID-19 Data Explorer

Explore global data on COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

Be interesting to see what it looks like in a couple of months or so if, as expected, we open up as planned and this 3rd wave continues to hit countries on the continent hard.

 

[ancoats]

Well, perhaps we should stay positive, I've read time and again how we're ignoring everything and people are crazy and so on, and yet cases and admissions continue to fall. Weirdly I'd almost be more worried if everyone was shut in completely and ready to venture out, at least this way there's not such a huge step change? We wait, that's all we can do.

i think lockdown and the vaccines have a major part in the numbers coming down ? now we will see if the vaccines alone will keep it down. its crazy to see so many people just not giving a fuck about covid-19 now

i still think the vaccines are going to take more time and improvements before we all should be look at starting again and getting back to normal. but the youth can not wait for a normal life. they need to party and party hard never thinking about tomorrow or other people

i truly hope the vaccines work and everybody can lead a normal life again ? but as for covid-19 its never going away and the normal life will be 4 months of summer and some sort of life and then winter lockdown again

 

[feedthegoat27]

There's a stringency index here.

I've put a few countries in for comparison.

This year, we've had pretty much the hardest lock down in the world.

Last year, I think some were worse.

View attachment 13417

COVID-19 Data Explorer

Explore global data on COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

Interesting stuff, will give it a read, thanks.

My initial thoughts were this year we must be amongst the toughest/strictest, but combine last year with this year and there might be a few countries that pip up, certainly in Europe and the wider world too.

I don't have kids so things like the schools closing don't really come on my radar or impact me whatsoever but for sure if you've got school age children then 2021 will indeed have been very difficult along with all the other restrictions we've had and continue to face.

Hopefully we'll reap the 'benefits' of lockdown later this year.

 

[Mr Coopz]

i think lockdown and the vaccines have a major part in the numbers coming down ? now we will see if the vaccines alone will keep it down. its crazy to see so many people just not giving a fuck about covid-19 now

i still think the vaccines are going to take more time and improvements before we all should be look at starting again and getting back to normal. but the youth can not wait for a normal life. they need to party and party hard never thinking about tomorrow or other people

i truly hope the vaccines work and everybody can lead a normal life again ? but as for covid-19 its never going away and the normal life will be 4 months of summer and some sort of life and then winter lockdown again

In fairness mate, whilst I don’t disagree with about some in this country not caring for others. If the vaccine doesn’t do its job then what exactly can we do after that ? If we are having to be in lockdowns after the vaccine rollout is well past it’s finished point I foresee a lot of civil unrest. We can’t let hospitals get overrun but nor can we do what you presume will happen in the future. Somehow we’re gonna have to come up with a different idea. How the hell we would do that is beyond me but we can’t keep doing what we’re doing now in any capacity and I say that has a frontline health worker.