Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Tim of the Oak]

Unable maybe partially due to loss of wages etc whereas unwilling is due to selfishness or is it the other way around. Just look at the scenes last couple of days from Platt Fields and Castlefields last night. Unbelievable the actions of these people. Just what is going on in their heads. Probably nothing and that’s the problem. Should water cannon the lot using an ink that stay on skin for four weeks then everyone will know what twats we have to share oxygen with. Bit radical I know but I reckon it might make people think twice.

Yes, I saw a sea of trash in a park near me when I went for a walk yesterday morning. There were volunteers clearing up but they shouldn't have to.

 

[M18CTID]

Compare and contrast: Queue jumping in UK and Empty halls in Germany with 7million doses sitting in the fridge.

This was an interesting article from the weekend about Germany's vaccine rollout. Like many others, I often see Germany as the gold standard for efficiency and as such I find it difficult to comprehend how they could've gotten this so wrong: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...an-efficiency-wrecked-its-covid-vaccine-drive

 

[Chippy_boy]

Unable maybe partially due to loss of wages etc whereas unwilling is due to selfishness or is it the other way around. Just look at the scenes last couple of days from Platt Fields and Castlefields last night. Unbelievable the actions of these people. Just what is going on in their heads. Probably nothing and that’s the problem. Should water cannon the lot using an ink that stay on skin for four weeks then everyone will know what twats we have to share oxygen with. Bit radical I know but I reckon it might make people think twice.

You've got my vote.

 

[ell]

Sorry if I'm being naïve, but does "Queue jumping" really matter now the jabs have been made available to the top 9 priority groups?

 

[Del_Bosque]

I'll tell you what this lockdown was a lot bleaker without the Blues playing for the last 2 weeks

 

[KS55]

This was an interesting article from the weekend about Germany's vaccine rollout. Like many others, I often see Germany as the gold standard for efficiency and as such I find it difficult to comprehend how they could've gotten this so wrong: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...an-efficiency-wrecked-its-covid-vaccine-drive

Yes, bureaucracy and caution are not good bedfellows in an emergency. Boris' natural attitude of do it now and worry later has paid off. He is a natural risk taker, Frau Merkel is caution personified.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Sorry if I'm being naïve, but does "Queue jumping" really matter now the jabs have been made available to the top 9 priority groups?

exactly, most vunerable have been jabbed and that's the most important thing.

now it's just a case of getting as many people jabbed as possible, which we are doing.

how anyone can moan about our rollout i do not know, we are doing the best in the world.

 

[west didsblue]

Sorry if I'm being naïve, but does "Queue jumping" really matter now the jabs have been made available to the top 9 priority groups?

It certainly doesn't matter as much now that the clinically vulnerable are nearly all vaccinated.

 

[Chappie]

exactly, most venerable have been jabbed and that's the most important thing.

now it's just a case of getting as many people jabbed as possible, which we are doing.

how anyone can moan about our rollout i do not know, we are doing the best in the world.

Because the original poster is a serial moaner about everyone and anything.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Because the original poster is a serial moaner about everyone and anything.

yep, and he did the exact same rant a couple weeks ago.

 

[west didsblue]

exactly, most venerable have been jabbed and that's the most important thing.

now it's just a case of getting as many people jabbed as possible, which we are doing.

how anyone can moan about our rollout i do not know, we are doing the best in the world.

Didn't realise there was a category for senior clergy!

 

[Manchester33]

Sorry if I'm being naïve, but does "Queue jumping" really matter now the jabs have been made available to the top 9 priority groups?

I actually think it makes more sense to vaccinate everyone aged 18-25 quickly.

I'm sure someone will have actual facts which could discredit or support my point. But I'm not convinced people in their late 30s and 40s are spreading the virus on the same scale as a house full of uni students.

 

[west didsblue]

I actually think it makes more sense to vaccinate everyone aged 18-25 quickly.

I'm sure someone will have actual facts which could discredit or support my point. But I'm not convinced people in their late 30s and 40s are spreading the virus on the same scale as a house full of uni students.

That's a good shout and makes perfect sense.

 

[worsleyweb]

I actually think it makes more sense to vaccinate everyone aged 18-25 quickly.

I'm sure someone will have actual facts which could discredit or support my point. But I'm not convinced people in their late 30s and 40s are spreading the virus on the same scale as a house full of uni students.

From what i can see 90\% of students have had it.

 

[03 March 2002]

I actually think it makes more sense to vaccinate everyone aged 18-25 quickly.

I'm sure someone will have actual facts which could discredit or support my point. But I'm not convinced people in their late 30s and 40s are spreading the virus on the same scale as a house full of uni students.

Don't have any facts but to provide another viewpoint:-

It's more quickly understood how a vaccine affects the rate of serious hospitalisation and illness than transmission. Empirical evidence shows that vulnerable people were more likely to end up in this situation so it makes sense to protect those people sooner. We also know for a fact that our natural immunity wains as we age.

Also the little scamps might run amok if they felt they were immune before the rest of the population.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I agree with most of what you say. I heard the Vaccines President of GSK on Radio 5 earlier in the week and the main lesson from the pandemic for them is that they will run production facilities at around 40% in future (outside pandemic times) so that they can quickly scale up production to respond to pandemics. He said it's too difficult and time consuming to scale up from a standing start.

Our Government says it's about private companies but nations are important to vaccine development and roll out as discussed on here. For example, Oxford were steered to partner with AZ. Yes, the nature of contracts are very important and many of the companies are multi-nationals but politics are a factor and they often reflect national interests.

Thank God that Oxford were steered towards AZ. The EU would have had us totally over a barrel and in-hoc to a German pharma company if they hadn't.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I think the supply will come on stream soon but all the talk about up-front manufacturing at risk was a load of nonsense

I don't think you understand the complexities and time involved in setting up a novel pharmaceutical manufacturing process.

IIRC the first Pfizer dose was 8th Dec; the clinical results were 9th November. Similar timescales were for AstraZeneca, about a month behind. Doses were manufactured before the results were available to achieve this.

Huge investment was made at risk ahead of clinical trial readout to enable the availability of vaccines we have been fortunate enough to have.

It's absolutely unprecedented to set up a supply chain for a new vaccine, or medicine of any sort on the timescale it was done here, and all of that required huge investment before there was any evidence of efficacy.

 

[Manchester33]

From what i can see 90\% of students have had it.

Yeah, I know a few students who've had it (and spread it to their entire households). Apparently you can catch it more than once though, so I'd argue it makes sense to identify these high risk areas and make sure they're vaccinated soon.

 

[Manchester33]

Don't have any facts but to provide another viewpoint:-

It's more quickly understood how a vaccine affects the rate of serious hospitalisation and illness than transmission. Empirical evidence shows that vulnerable people were more likely to end up in this situation so it makes sense to protect those people sooner. We also know for a fact that our natural immunity wains as we age.

Also the little scamps might run amok if they felt they were immune before the rest of the population.

Just to be clear, I agree that the elderly, vulnerable and those who care for both should be at the top of any list to be vaccinated. But (to my knowledge) they've all already been offered the vaccine. At the point when we're vaccinating the healthy, low-risk population I think it makes more sense to drive vaccinations towards people who have high(er)-risk lifestyles (e.g. students, factory workers, high-density households) where the virus will spread more easily.

I cohabit with my fiance in a 3-bed semi with a nice big garden and plenty of room, we both work from home in non-essential industries. It wouldn't make sense for me to be vaccinated before a student living in a hall with 20 other people sharing a kitchen.

And they're already running amok IMO. I don't know a single person aged between 18-25 who's actually adhering to any of the rules. Withholding the vaccine as a preventative to running amok simply hasn't worked.

 

[grunge]

Yeah, I know a few students who've had it (and spread it to their entire households). Apparently you can catch it more than once though, so I'd argue it makes sense to identify these high risk areas and make sure they're vaccinated soon.

Getting it twice is very very rare. there are a handfull of known cases around the world. if it was easily caught again vaccines would be mostly pointless. even though they are more effective than natural immunity.

Edit: A Lancet report this month, from a paper from Denmark is putting reinfection rates at around 0.2%, higher than expected but still only 1 in 500.