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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%
  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%

  • Total voters
    2,063
Shocking I can't believe we have followed Liverpool & UTD like rats following the sound of the piper

I don't know what to say really hope the FA come down hard on anyone going for this

Forget Sunday you watch the FA cancel the final?
 
Since having spent the night reading about this and discovering it's not the breakaway league people are talking it's just replacing the CL for us which I fucking hate anyway. I know this isn't going to be popular but our owners JUST managed to squeeze us through the gate with regards to FFP timing and got us sat at the main table. As irritating as it is just look at the clubs involved - all the main players from the main leagues. Look at the money. If this is the future of top table European competition it is, I'm afraid, exactly where and what our clubs strategic plans were for and as disgusting as it is they want City to be filling their bellies from the banquet not having bread and water ike those that remain. I'm against it, I hate the idea but I also hate Uefa so maybe the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The only constant in this is my team Manchester City, I've followed them since 1984 and I'll follow them should they head into this new super league.
I think it stinks.

Spurs and Arsenal what have they done in recent seasons to be included, and we have only become a force since the take over. Then there is the two groups of ten meaning playing extra matches in midweek, so obviously they are throwing the League Cup under the bus.

It is all about money and they will not be getting any of mine. I would not attend live matches and would not pay the TV companies anything either.
 
There is a huge amount of emotion surrounding discussion of all this. Entirely understandable too. But those running football don't think in terms of emotion. For them it is all about money. So looking at this from a purely financial perspective - as the characters involved in this upheaval will - how is this likely to play out?

Firstly, IMO, the breakaway clubs hold all the aces here. UEFA can ban these clubs all they like. But UEFA needs these elite clubs, and the elite clubs don't need them. Domestic leagues can impose bans and sanctions to make a point, but that would be suicidal. The PL stripped of the appeal of these six clubs is a crippled brand. If those six are excluded, just how much will broadcasters be prepared to pay for rights to cover the rest? How much sponsorship will be forthcoming? The simple reality is that the Premier League MUST reach an amicable settlement with the breakaway six. The alternative is a PL doomed to die by noble gesture.

Meanwhile, consider the options from the perspective of the breakaway clubs. If they're banned from domestic competitions the solution for them could hardly be more straightforward. Reformat the new competition to a full 38-game home-and-away season for the 20 clubs involved. Incorporate some element of cup football either in the form of a play-off format, or via a new dedicated cup competition. No shortage of lucrative fixtures to stream now.

And what if the players are banned from representing their national teams? Simple. The breakaway league sets up a new international tournament - they will have access to all the best players, after all. If UEFA and FIFA don't play along, it is they who will go the way of the dinosaurs, not the breakaway clubs.

Many of we fans who post on here view football in analog terms. We think of the beautiful game broadly as it has functioned for the last 100 years or more. But that financial model is extinct. Clubs can no longer survive based on matchday income. Football is consumed digitally now. Yes, I will attract ire for saying that - but it is the truth. The future for the elite football clubs revolves purely around digital income from global media rights. And from the merchandising and betting revenue streams arising from that. The kind of money brought in by those who attend matches on the day is close to irrelevant at this level. Many on here are saying they will no longer attend games because they don't approve of the new paradigm (fair enough). Others won't return because they've left this expensive weekend routine behind during the Covid reset. The reality is that these big clubs won't care about this. In a business model dominated by digital TV / streaming coverage, the role of the matchday crowd is to provide atmosphere and visual spectacle for the worldwide online audience. The clubs can afford to price the matchday seats to sell using dynamic algorithms like those used by no-frills airlines. And if those tickets are cheaper, perhaps afew younger (and more animated) fans will be able to afford the gig again ... win-win for the clubs.

Meanwhile, a huge new revenue stream arises for the clubs if they can sell football coverage via their own fan channels. Purists on Bluemoon may say NEVER, but a substantial new audience will be attracted to subscribe to a package which grants live access to ALL Manchester City matches for a full season (or whichever club they prefer). The clubs will make a killing from this. Sadly, how many fans of these six clubs sit through live TV coverage of matches such as Brighton v Burnley which their expensive Sky / BT package currently foists upon them in place of the match they really want to see?

When you pause to consider the strong position that the breakaway clubs are in from a financial perspective, it becomes obvious that for all their posturing it is UEFA and the domestic leagues which will need to give ground if any kind of accord is to be negotiated. Being banned from the UCL at the semi-final stage is galling, but UEFA can only impose this sanction once. And it will be an act of gross financial self-harm if they go through with it. And given that UEFA has behaved so objectionably for so many years, I struggle to raise one iota of sympathy for their predicament now. Their appointment of the odious Tebag to a position of influence just this week shows that this toxic coven is not minded to change its ways any time soon. UEFA is a horrible governing body. The new incarnation can only be 'just as bad' at the very worst.

My expectation is that urgent and constructive peace talks must ensue. This breakaway represents an existential threat to domestic leagues generally (if these clubs are excluded), and to UEFA in particular. In public they may rant about how harshly they can punish and ostracise the breakaway elite clubs. But in private they must do whatever it takes to keep these clubs securely in the fold. Failure to do so dooms THEM to irrelevance, not the elite clubs. That is the stark reality.

I'm aware that this line of thinking isn't something that purists of a certain age want to contemplate. But it is the financial reality in this new digital age, and it is the distribution of monetary rewards which will ultimately decide the outcome of this. UEFA must offer big concessions to appease the elite clubs. And the domestic leagues will have no choice other than to back down or become a meaningless sideshow compared with what they once were.

We live in interesting times. But upsetting as all this is, I still want the best possible outcome for Manchester City FC. It's CTID for me, whichever tournament they happen to be competing in. For as long as they play in Manchester and retain the name I've always supported, count me in.
I take it from that post you work in finance?
Ignore everything that matters.... because, y'know, money!!
These clubs are a manifestation of the communities, of the supporters. Do you understand that?
OUR clubs are being taken from us, because of greed.
 
Why is the dream of these clubs getting into the premier League gone?
These six clubs will still play in the premier League every week but have their own midweek European competition instead of UEFA

Big chance we could be expelled from domestic competition and I would support the Prem, FA and (spits) Eufa and FIFA if we were.

To say we needed to join this is bullshit, we could have took a stand as a club for the rest of English football and said get fucked.

Instead we and chelsea acted cowardly and joined up with the cunts that have berated and belittled us for years.

I am disgusted with City and it's lack of empathy with it's fans and the English leagues
 
Super League company has written to FIFA and UEFA presidents last night warning them that they have already started taken legal action to prevent football authorities from blocking their plans for the breakaway league

From NYT
 
Do I see this as 18 games minimum, with potential for 20, 22, 23 or even 25 depending on finishing 4th/5th and potentially getting to a final, compared with current 6 games minimum potentially going to 13!

If so the League Cup will be lost forever to the 1st eleven, whilst with the international breaks I'm not sure how you play the midweek Premier League/FA Cup games that are normally scheduled. There's no doubt for me, that although this is running side by side domestic leagues initially, the non qualification part shows domestic football is not important and eventually this will become a closed shop international franchise with it's own Cup version too.

All in all a shocking day for the fans, not football however, as it has been football's greed up until this point that has sprouted this monster. On a personal level, I have for a few seasons now been looking to find the trigger to leave it all behind as first VAR and now empty stadiums ruined my experience, but this is a new level that means we'd be subjected initially to playing in a pointless Premier League that no longer had any impact on whether we played in this new league or not. The very parody of the 2 leagues attempting to function side by side means it is obvious that both cannot survive and that domestic football as we once knew is nearing extinction.

Manchester City, just what have you done to your name, your fans and your legacy?
 
I'm not arsed about uefa, we have battled them for the last 10 years, every single one of us has been involved in that battle, we've stood up to people's accusations of cheating and dragging the club we loves name been dragged through the mud, now the club turns round and snuggles our enemy.

I would be happy with a new fair competition and fucking uefa off, but not this elitist bullshit, fuck everyone else I'm alright, they are all slimy cunts all 12 of them ,Bayern and psg will be involved behind the scenes, they aren't going to be left out of the gravy train, it might not mean we will get kicked out of the Premier league, but a break away league is coming
 
A part of the club within me has died tonight. The super league itself is a vile idea but the fact we've got into bed with this bunch of corrupt cartel is even worse.

Neville was wrong in one thing he said yesterday. This is exactly what you would expect from Liverpool and United. City have really, really disappointed me and whatever happens they will never get that back.
 
Super League company has written to FIFA and UEFA presidents last night warning them that they have already started taken legal action to prevent football authorities from blocking their plans for the breakaway league

A motion has been filed in multiple courts to ensure nothing can block these guys from having their way. UEFA, leagues and FAs considering their own legal options. (Still have sense FIFA might not be that upset about this).

From NYT

These guys have obviously been planning this.. Ugh
 
Super League company has written to FIFA and UEFA presidents last night warning them that they have already started taken legal action to prevent football authorities from blocking their plans for the breakaway league

From NYT

Whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. City getting in bed with the Glazers and their ilk is absolutely disgusting.

Where the fuck is Soriano? Or Khaldoon? The outcry over this demands, at the very least, a response.

I said to the missus, the Super League is a disaster but the most disappointing thing is that City, our club, have gone along with this. Come what may, I don't think this can be forgiven or forgotten.
 
The Premier League hold the most important ticket in town here, I still think they hold the power, ESL loses all of it's value if the 6 English teams aren't there. Only so many El Clasico's in a row people are willing to watch.

The ESL want's to run alongside domestic competition, the Premier League can stop that. American investors are backing this because the English sides are there. The Premier League has to kick them out, take the financial hit and hope they come crawling back.
probably already stated, but something must already be agreed upon for the super league to have posted that teams are still playing domestically on their web site, they wouldn't just assume that on something this big.
 
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This will ruin the premier league which is the competition we most want to win
Essentially the teams will rest players and throw premier league matches as no one needs to win it.
They are all already in the closed shop and will want the money from that
Where is the hope for the clubs left behind??
Sad day for football when you let florentino Perez and the American greed merchants take over the game
 
City, you greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy greedy shysters!

How the fuck can you get into bed with Perez, the Glazers, Henry and Kroenke?

How the fuck can you be so naïve that you’d trust those cunts who are the main men at the table in this and we appear to be tag alongs with no representation on the board?

Yanks have been trying to ruin us for years, and we’re tugging on their sleeves with this pretending to be mates with them? FUCK OFF! There’s only one way this is going for us, and it doesn’t look good at all.

How can you do this to the long standing traditions of domestic football? This will ruin domestic football, it’ll ruin the meritocracy of the sport, there will be the same six teams at the top of the league at a time when we’d almost got rid of the entire Sky 4 from this season’s Top 4.

How would we have felt if this had happened without us in the mid 00s pre-takeover? We’d be rightly fucking fuming! The likes of Everton WestHam and Villa will be rightly fucking fuming with us... yet we go ahead and just turn into Manchester United MkII? We are now as bad as anything we’ve ever aimed at United and Liverpool.

Shame on you, City. Fucking shame on you!

I’ll be seriously considering what I do now with regards to my support of this football club. I’ll certainly not be paying attention to a single second of this greedy competition, but I may very well also ditch my match going support for you and my support for you full stop.

Fucking shame on you, City!
 
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You have to assume Khaldoon will be against this but businessman in Soriano probably talked him to accept this farce
 
Horrified lads, this is selling out clear and simple. It is top table elitist bullshit that will erase the history and essence of each league. I love City and i want to see our club grow and succeed but not at any cost.
We need to remember who we are and what we stand for.
 
probably already stated, but something must already be agreed upon for the super to have posted that teams are still playing domestically on their web site, they wouldn't just assume that on something this big.
Is this why it took so many attempts to find a “suitable” new PL chairman a while back?
 

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