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[Forzacitizens]

On what planet would a punishment help?

It'll just make a new version of the ESL come even quicker.

 

[Protein Junkie]

What I don’t understand is that these owners are very rich people and must have made some very astute decision making in their time.
It was my belief that business does considerable market research before developing a new product.
This has clearly not happened here and hopefully a big wake up call that ultimately a collective fan base is where the real power lies.
All competitions must be on merit.

 

[Metalartin]

Also to those looking at Bayern and PSG.

Having thought about it, assuming they were offered, they would have considered it, don't be naive enough to think they wouldn't. However there are some big factors which separate those clubs from Chelsea and City:

Bayern - Here is the 50+1 rule of the Bundesliga - In order to obtain a license to compete in the Bundesliga, a club must hold a majority of its own voting rights. The rule is designed to ensure that the club's members retain overall control, by way of owning 50% of shares, +1 share, protecting clubs from the influence of external investors.

PSG - They finally have influence with UEFA, they have a seat on the executive board and via beIN their owners have invested too much in the CL already to simply walk away at this point. There is also the Qatar World Cup and the possible ramifications from FIFA who were clearly against the ESL.

There were some massive hurdles for those clubs which probably made it a no go, had they not had those, I don't believe for second they wouldn't have been persuaded to sign up, the same way Chelsea and City were.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

I think the altruistic dynamic will change after this debacle.

Not a chance it will change.

Few hundred disgruntled fans who don't renew season tickets etc?

Won't change much.

 

[Clevers]

You're not big fat Sam are you? He's been calling out for us to get punished today.

Here we have our own, calling out for the club to be punished

Answer me this. If we get the punishment you crave, will you sleep with a smile on your face again?

Big fat Sam such an upright and non-duplicitous person.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Every trading organisation is in debt: companies owe money to employees, the tax man, suppliers.

City owe money for transfers and a lease on the stadium. This is less than the amounts city are owed from others for transfers, sponsorship, tv, etc.

It’s the net position that matters and city have nothing to worry about on that front, unlike a lot of the others.

thats what i thought was the case.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Also to those looking at Bayern and PSG.

Having thought about it, assuming they were offered they would have considered it don't be naive to think they wouldn't. However there are some big factors which separate those clubs from Chelsea and City:

Bayern - Here is the 50+1 rule of the Bundesliga - In order to obtain a license to compete in the Bundesliga, a club must hold a majority of its own voting rights. The rule is designed to ensure that the club's members retain overall control, by way of owning 50% of shares, +1 share, protecting clubs from the influence of external investors.

PSG - They finally have influence with UEFA, they have a seat on the executive board and via beIN their owners have invested too much in the CL already to simply walk away at this point.

There were some massive hurdles for those clubs which probably made it a no go, had they not had those I don't believe for second they wouldn't have been persuaded to sign up the same way Chelsea and City were.

Unlike Bavarians to not sign up for something controversial.

 

[eastmanc]

You are on cloud cuckoo land if you think that those 12 clubs are equivalent. That ESL plot was openly discussed in the papers at the start of the season. This was the exclusive league that has been mooted a Man Utd and Liverpools attempt to cut City out in case they could not bend UEFA to their will. They messed up on both counts.

Real Madrid, Juve, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal drove this. City and Chelsea accepted invitations.

There will be no major punishments for Manchester City. We shot the damn thing down when it came to it, and only joined it on the very last day (simon stone, BBC). I don't know exactly what our thinking was. It may have been greed, it may have been subterfuge but it is not the equivalent of Man Utd. Why do you think investment banker Woodward is going, and why did he resign yesterday? His plot. His failure. His defeat.

I can see some minor sanction and censure for City but I'd quite welcome some investigation because our major rivals have much much more to lose than us.

AT worse we're greedy and incompetent because we signed up for something that was doomed. At best we're damned smart. What we aren't is calculating and devious and duplicitous. Ceferin's comments are very understandable

Well done though for arguing a point against a prevailing point of view.

The ESL has been discussed for as long as the Premier League and the Champs League have been going, it’s nothing new. It is why the Champion s League came in to being in place of the old European Cup to placate the old G14. City are proper Jonny come lately s in this . We were involved in it for less than 48 hours. I would be really surprised if there was any sanctions against for this.

 

[terraloon]

so 12 clubs can decide they are above everything and everyone and try destroy the structures of the game without consequence?

lads you're on cloud cuckoo land

You're as morally bankrupt as the cunts who dreamed this up if you think this should be excused without punishment

For me it’s not a question of not thinking their shouldn’t be punishment my issue is what rule do you use to punish ?

 

[iwasthere1968]

Just checked and he’s still a c@nt

Sometimes "like" is not enough. PMSL

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

so 12 clubs can decide they are above everything and everyone and try destroy the structures of the game without consequence?

lads you're on cloud cuckoo land

You're as morally bankrupt as the cunts who dreamed this up if you think this should be excused without punishment

To be fair you are only as stupid as Bryan Swanson on Sky who was baiting Paul Barber of Brighton & Hove Albion who was very classy and wasn’t having none of it.

The 12 clubs owners tried to set up a European Super League in opposition to UEFA Champions League. They did not leave the Premier League. The only body who could potentially make sanctions stick legally are UEFA. Any Premier League sanctions would get laughed out of court.

Deduction of points or competition sanctions damages the Managers, Squads and fans of those clubs who have done nothing wrong. Indeed they were the catalyst for reversing the proposal. Why do you want to punish Chelsea fans who turned up in their droves to protest last night?

The only “sanctions” that make sense will be the government lead Football review which hopefully may result in a German model fan ownership or at least some form of legislation preventing owners of U.K. clubs from fundamentally changing the competitions without government and fan agreement.

I’m not sure if it’s possible legally but the best sanction would be the owners of the clubs losing 51% of their ownership. That would apply to all clubs. The remaining 14 clubs having their meeting with The Premier League can try and claim the moral high ground all day but every club has skeletons in the closet and it wasn’t long ago The Premier League were discussing the 39th game.

In short, put your pitch fork away dickhead.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

For me it’s not a question of not thinking their shouldn’t be punishment my issue is what rule do you use to punish ?

If it's points deduction and costs us the title i'm changing my vote to YES.

 

[John Wayne]

Yep
An amateur team just got into the French cup semi final. Not that long ago another amateur team, Calais, got to the final.

Fourth-tier Bradford City got to the League Cup final in 2013.

 

[SilvaisSkyBlue]

Kaveh Solhekol reporting on SSN one board member at one of the 6 clubs ‘didnt even know’ they had signed up and spent some time trying to contact the clubs owner. Hmmm i wonder who

Probably spurs

Probably bollocks.

No way is this bollocks!

Kaveh Solhekol broke the Danny van de Beek transfer to united, and keep this on the down low but Danny is an £80m player for the peanuts price of £40m, shhhhhhhhh, very credible sauce!!!

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

What I don’t understand is that these owners are very rich people and must have made some very astute decision making in their time.
It was my belief that business does considerable market research before developing a new product.
This has clearly not happened here and hopefully a big wake up call that ultimately a collective fan base is where the real power lies.
All competitions must be on merit.

You’re absolutely right - the rushed, ill thought through, half-cooked desperation of this whole thing reeks of panic.

And you can only assume the panic is very likely to come from the collective debt most of these clubs are juggling.

The JP Morgan angle has been underreported in amongst all the sanctimonious mock hysteria of the last few days, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this was nothing but a rushed compromise solution with the investment bank that holds most of the yank owners’ debt.

Which makes it even more fantastic that we pulled the plug on their get out of jail card when they must have thought they were home and dry.

Bunch of cunts!

 

[yankblue]

Milan are 81 in the UEFA Rankings. That is below Real Betis, Getafe, PAOK, Qarabag, Malmö, BTE Borisiv and FK Astana.

Inter are 33 in the rankings below Sporting, Basel, and Besiktas.

Spurs are 13 largely on the basis of their final place two years back.

More succinct than I ever could have put it.

 

[M12Blue]

You're not big fat Sam are you? He's been calling out for us to get punished today.

Here we have our own, calling out for the club to be punished

Answer me this. If we get the punishment you crave, will you sleep with a smile on your face again?

It’ll need to be a fucking big points deduction to save that twat

 

[paulchapo]

I highly doubt the six clubs would have just dropped joining this league if they were told they'd be hit with all sorts of punishments by the premier league and champions league. If that was the case they night as well have said, okay, fuck you we're off then.

 

[BlueDejong]

 

[M12Blue]

What I don’t understand is that these owners are very rich people and must have made some very astute decision making in their time.
It was my belief that business does considerable market research before developing a new product.
This has clearly not happened here and hopefully a big wake up call that ultimately a collective fan base is where the real power lies.
All competitions must be on merit.

Which suggests the invite came late and as an ultimatum as suggested.