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[SWP's back]

Paywalled and I certainly ain’t signing up

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Love the poll on the article on what sort of punishment all 6 clubs should suffer. There isn't an option for 'No Punishment' so they can now claim that 100% of all fans who voted want the 6 punished.

Isn’t this a pay wall? and if so am I the only person on BM that hasn’t subscribed to the Telegraph- just when I’d stopped feeling ashamed as well

 

[Dribble]

We were promoted so we were happy. :)

Not sure you fully understand the context of ESL.

The context is fans anger at what the money-grabbing ESL stands for & is trying to achieve, when the money-grabbing PL did the same thing by essentially braking away from the Football League 30 years ago. I don't recall such a massive outcry???? Why?

 

[malg]

Changed my vote to no.

 

[Centurions]

Isn’t this a pay wall? and if so am I the only person on BM that hasn’t subscribed to the Telegraph- just when I’d stopped feeling ashamed as well

You get 1 or 2 articles free per week (per email at that).

 

[Dribble]

The premier league was formed when 5 clubs threatened to break away and form their owm mini league.

Unlike now where most clubs were less powerfull and so the rest of the 1st division capitulated and agreed to their demands as the FA backed them up too

We fans then had pther shit to deal with tbf and I remember many calling the prem a load of shit at the time amd that is was a pathetic power grab.

I recall much the same, but we still went along with the PL power grab. The ESL is essentially trying to do the same, so I don't get why we were so much more accepting of the breakaway PL, but everyone's up in arms at the breakaway ESL?

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

The ESL said 5 teams per season would be added to the 15 perennials. That's more than the 3 promoted/relegated teams the PL currently has, so my point stands.... I don't get why fans had no issue with the money grabbing PL, but have an issue with the money grabbing ESL?

Like you, I couldn't give a fuck about any other team bar City, so if City feel to explore the opportunity as they did with the PL, what's the problem?

Because they explored it and then signed up for it is what annoys me

They had the chance and jumped in with this lot

5 would have been invited to the ESL from how many teams

The PL is teams promoted on merit

How could the ESL decide who merits a place out of all the teams in Europe

At least in the PL we know how you need to get into it and how to stay in it

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

You get 1 or 2 articles free per week (per email at that).

Or continuously press Esc on a desktop when the page loads

 

[WestGorton]

Blimey. What's going on. It's only football. CTWD.

 

[crooky]

Changed my vote to no.

Noticed around 15 votes have changed...

Presumably accidental button presses.

 

[Dribble]

Because they explored it and then signed up for it is what annoys me

They had the chance and jumped in with this lot

5 would have been invited to the ESL from how many teams

The PL is teams promoted on merit

How could the ESL decide who merits a place out of all the teams in Europe

At least in the PL we know how you need to get into it and how to stay in it

I assume the ESL's 5 promoted teams would be chosen either by league positions from their chosen leagues, or by coefficients. Either way, 5 teams promoted/relegated every season is two more than we currently get with the PL, so I don't get why we have issues with the ESL model, & no problems with the PL model? They're both money grabbing setups.

 

[DrBlueBob]

I do enjoy a halter neck.

And slingbacks?

 

[Dodge]

Personally, I don't want a grovelling meaningless PR apology from my club. The fact they had the balls to pull the rug speaks volumes. We're not fucking scousers...

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

A lot of things were said during this last hours, from Football is dead, football belong to the fans, let save football, i don't recognize my club, etc.

But despite what we think about some clubs or owners, don't you think something in missing that need to be addressed?

- why these clubs tought about joining this project? What was the motivation behind?

- why they wanted a closed or almost league instead of CL?

-why suddenly UEFA talk about distributing more money?

- do you think if many people saw the 2024 CL format?

-why they didn't come up clear with this project before an official announcement?

-why UEFA is against it?

-why the medias are against it?

- why many people don't know that before CL there was a competition called C1?

- is there a parallel with the bosman case? It was revolutionary at that time

- Are the players responsible for this? Don't you thnik their wages are a burden for many competitive clubs?

-why fans (mostly) want their team to win everything but don't take into account the money involved, operating costs?

-why there is a correlation between succces and clubs turnovers? (with few exceptions)

- why a club like Barca has to borrow money from banks to pay their players wages despite having a big turnover and no dividend for shareholders?

- What are the solutions to make the clubs sustainable?

- If fans wants constant success, will they accept to pay more for this succes?

- How nowadays a club can be competitive, sustainable without global following? Tourists glory hunters call them what you want

- During this Corona times, how clubs can cope with it if the revenues are less and players demand more wages to negociate to extend their contracts?

Why some of our "City fans" who hated CL and preferred the premier league suddenly felt that the club let them down because it wanted to play in a new format instead of CL? (i am not about the no communication before but the idea of joining)

Decent stuff in there. How do we get answers to them as outsiders to the decision making processes?

if you dont involve fans they draw their own conclusions as to motives? How could they not?

 

[DrBlueBob]

i'd still smash it, as long as she didn't speak

You are a trooper MCL.

 

[markstephenhickey]

Ian Herbert, I can assure you, is absolutely detested by City. In actual fact, he had to put his hood up in the press box the last time he attended with fans present at the stadium, as they were demanding to ask which one was Herbert?

City have zero time for him. Only Jack Gaughan and Martin Samuel have City on their Daily Mail good list.

“Grubby little club”

Should count his lucky stars he still fucking gets access to the press box.

 

[John Wayne]

You don't even know why the club acted the way they did. You've just decided you know better.

Stop making excuses for the club. I'm open to an explanation from Khaldoon but as it stands, their actions were indefensible.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

“Grubby little club”

Should count his lucky stars he still fucking gets access to the press box.

Makes you wonder why he wrote this piece then.
Perhaps, he sees the writing on the wall. The shape of things to come.
Maybe he wants to mend bridges.

 

[ONTHERUNWITHTHAKSIN]

I assume the ESL's 5 promoted teams would be chosen either by league positions from their chosen leagues, or by coefficients. Either way, 5 teams promoted/relegated every season is two more than we currently get with the PL, so I don't get why we have issues with the ESL model, & no problems with the PL model? They're both money grabbing setups.

In the PL no team was safe from relegation

in ESL the founder members were always safe from relegation

 

[mexico1970]

The split was motivated by greed, nothing else just greed. It wasn't to benefit the game at all it wasn't reform it was attempted theft.

The two things that strike me as wrong in football is the wages and agents and how much that costs on an upward spiral, and how much football above any other thing is held to some higher moral value.

I'm a football fan not a professional protester.