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[Shirley]

How the Super League Fell Apart (Published 2021)

Frantic phone calls, secret meetings and high-stakes threats: The inside story of how a billion-dollar European soccer superleague was born, and then collapsed, in less than a week.

www.nytimes.com

 

[samarasra]

Problem now is, that just because we live in England and have had the opportunity for years, sometime generations, to follow our club, saying we want it to stay the same and be "English" is classed as being Xenophobic, racist even, what gives us the right to own a commodity like football? Shouldn't a kid in Hong Kong be just as much a "supporter" of Man City than a lad from Longsight? That's how they'll spin it next time.

That spin would be short lasting because I assume what we would be saying is that we want our club to stay the same and continue to be part of the English Premier League. There is nothing xenophobic or racist about that as long as we are also saying that a City fan/supporter is a City fan/supporter irrespective of where they are from or live.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

The fact one of their most important managers ever and the protege of potentially the most important person in their club history absolutely shit on the super league 48 hours before this statement, really shows how far into the mud they have been dragged into the past 6 years.

It's actually kind of sad in a way.

Don’t ever feel sad for people that have been bad at their jobs. Remember what Khaldoon said last year, he won’t accept shit from other clubs when they’re in a much worst financial position. Barcelona and Madrid could have ruled European football for years if they kept their wallets a bit tighter. Paying players a million per week is always asking for trouble. Add in transfers like Hazard, Coutinho and Demeble, I couldn’t think of any clubs that are run as badly as Barca and Real. The Spanish clubs are a shit stain on European football, with the likes of Perez and Tebas pulling the strings, they deserve everything that is coming to them and I hope it’s bankruptcy.

 

[burning blue soul]

This whole shambles may well be the best thing to have happened for football, i cant see how this could be revisited again for at least another 10 years, and if and when it is they way it is structured will have to shiw benefit throughout the pyramid.
Huge shot in the foot.

The ball is in UEFAs Court now. How they hit back will determine if they survive. They must read the room right. Big decisions to come out of UEFA now.
Look weak and the cartel will be back on them; too strong and it will push them away as well.
I don't envy UEFA, but I don't feel sorry for them. They have created this monster, and now is the time for them to vanquish it..... or there will be a sequel!!!

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Don’t ever feel sad for people that have been bad at their jobs. Remember what Khaldoon said last year, he won’t accept shit from other clubs when they’re in a much worst financial position. Barcelona and Madrid could have ruled European football for years if they kept their wallets a bit tighter. Paying players a million per week is always asking for trouble. Add in transfers like Hazard, Coutinho and Demeble, I couldn’t think of any clubs that are run as badly as Barca and Real. The Spanish clubs are a shit stain on European football, with the likes of Perez and Tebas pulling the strings, they deserve everything that is coming to them and I hope it’s bankruptcy.

I agree they deserve to fail competitively. They lived in a rarified world with the balance of revenue from their league heavily tilted in their favo(u)r and tremendous implicit or explicit support from government institutions. They could use with being knocked off the top rung for a good long while. They’re as entitled as hell. No wonder they have no idea how to act when the playing field looks like it’s leveling even a little bit. Lack of competition creates sloppiness and sloth and inefficiency. I feel badly for their players and fans but this is a bed of their own making.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Problem now is, that just because we live in England and have had the opportunity for years, sometime generations, to follow our club, saying we want it to stay the same and be "English" is classed as being Xenophobic, racist even, what gives us the right to own a commodity like football? Shouldn't a kid in Hong Kong be just as much a "supporter" of Man City than a lad from Longsight? That's how they'll spin it next time.

That’s no problem at all — simply tell those who spin that narrative to go fuck themselves, and call people who spout that narrative fucking idiots to their faces. And move on.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

This whole shambles may well be the best thing to have happened for football, i cant see how this could be revisited again for at least another 10 years, and if and when it is they way it is structured will have to shiw benefit throughout the pyramid.
Huge shot in the foot.

Shot IN the foot? They shot OFF their foot.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

The fucking prick has always called us and Chelsea manufactured clubs. He’s been more critical of us both pulling out first than he has been of the ringleaders. Proof if ever it were needed that he’s so far up the arse of the “istree” clubs that he’ll even give them a relatively free pass when they’ve plotted something as serious as this but can’t help getting his digs in on the 2 clubs who saw sense and brought the whole shit show crashing down. Guaranteed he sleeps in United pyjamas underneath a Liverpool duvet.

Ahem, 'Frankenstein' club if you will.........

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Don’t ever feel sad for people that have been bad at their jobs. Remember what Khaldoon said last year, he won’t accept shit from other clubs when they’re in a much worst financial position. Barcelona and Madrid could have ruled European football for years if they kept their wallets a bit tighter. Paying players a million per week is always asking for trouble. Add in transfers like Hazard, Coutinho and Demeble, I couldn’t think of any clubs that are run as badly as Barca and Real. The Spanish clubs are a shit stain on European football, with the likes of Perez and Tebas pulling the strings, they deserve everything that is coming to them and I hope it’s bankruptcy.

Spot on!

Two horrible and terribly run football clubs, whose business models should be avoided at all costs by all clubs in football.

The players, managers, and CEOs themselves have been given a free pass this week though. It’s been their greed that’s fed this spiral downwards. The players and their agents constantly pushing for higher and higher wages, demanding more from clubs who don’t have the money, threatening to go elsewhere if they don’t get it. Managers earning eye watering amounts of money with gigantic pay-offs if they get sacked.

Even the top football clubs only bring in £550-700m a season. City, who don’t have the highest wage bill, have a £150m player wage bill but over £300m payroll (for all staff inc. Pep and the boardroom) from a £550 revenue.

Barça’s wage bill is £235m so god knows what their entire payroll is!

It’s not sustainable. It’s actually a shambolic way to run a business.

The answer isn’t a European Super League that will bring in more money though, the answer has to be a cap on salaries. Make football more fair across the board, instead of allowing clubs to get into more and more debt just to fund wages and transfer fees and letting them get away with almost going bust and ruining themselves, their leagues and football in general.

Come down hard on debt!

If a club can’t afford a player or manager, don’t allow them to finance it. Just let these clubs slide down the table for a while. It’s how football used to be run for decades upon decades. Some clubs would have their time at the top, then they’d fade away, and another club would be top dogs for a while.

Why do these “big” clubs think they have a devine right to always be top clubs? Hardly any of them have always been top clubs throughout football history. Not Liverpool not United not Bayern not Barça not Arsenal not Paris not Inter not Milan... only one club has ever really been successful throughout football history and that’s Real Madrid, but look at how they’ve gone about that over the decades.

It’s time this was seriously looked at!

 

[Coatigan]

It's great that it looks like we were last in and first out, but people are still very quick to forgive.

What difference does it make if we don't? and who to?

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Spot on!

Two horrible and terribly run football clubs, whose business models should be avoided at all costs by all clubs in football.

The players, managers, and CEOs themselves have been given a free pass this week though. It’s been their greed that’s fed this spiral downwards. The players and their agents constantly pushing for higher and higher wages, demanding more from clubs who don’t have the money, threatening to go elsewhere if they don’t get it. Managers earning eye watering amounts of money with gigantic pay-offs if they get sacked.

Even the top football clubs only bring in £550-700m a season. City, who don’t have the highest wage bill, have a £150m player wage bill but over £300m payroll (for all staff inc. Pep and the boardroom) from a £550 revenue.

Barça’s wage bill is £235m so god knows what their entire payroll is!

It’s not sustainable. It’s actually a shambolic way to run a business.

The answer isn’t a European Super League that will bring in more money though, the answer has to be a cap on salaries. Make football more fair across the board, instead of allowing clubs to get into more and more debt just to fund wages and transfer fees and letting them get away with almost going bust and ruining themselves, their leagues and football in general.

Come down hard on debt!

If a club can’t afford a player or manager, don’t allow them to finance it. Just let these clubs slide down the table for a while. It’s how football used to be run for decades upon decades. Some clubs would have their time at the top, then they’d fade away, and another club would be top dogs for a while.

Why do these “big” clubs think they have a devine right to always be top clubs? Hardly any of them have always been top clubs throughout football history. Not Liverpool not United not Bayern not Barça not Arsenal not Paris not Inter not Milan... only one club has ever really been successful throughout football history and that’s Real Madrid, but look at how they’ve gone about that over the decades.

It’s time this was seriously looked at!

The forming of the champions league and the premier league meant the teams at the top of their leagues at that time got comfortable with the money coming in. The clubs at the very top of European football has barely changed for 30 years and it’s time for some variety. I want to see West Ham/Everton/Leicester taking the places of United/Liverpool/Arsenal. Football does work in cycles and at the minute you get the feeling that the circle is starting to turn. The big clubs are clinging on by showing their power but are being dragged down with their debt and bad management while also showing their desperate side. I don’t just want to see change in the prem, I’d love to see a couple of teams emerge in Spain to dismantle Barca and Madrid.

 

[SilverFox2]

ESL Mark II. Believe me, this is what City want. If the money is there, they'll take it. That even overrides getting into bed with the clubs that have been trying to destroy us because we've won the financial arms race.

That's the ultimate betrayal here.

Yes, our owner certainly bought City as an investment not as a donation with CFG being his global vision for the future within his football sector.
Obviously his ADUG structure people are paid to maximize profit so taking or even generating financial opportunity helps their cause.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

The forming of the champions league and the premier league meant the teams at the top of their leagues at that time got comfortable with the money coming in. The clubs at the very top of European football has barely changed for 30 years and it’s time for some variety. I want to see West Ham/Everton/Leicester taking the places of United/Liverpool/Arsenal. Football does work in cycles and at the minute you get the feeling that the circle is starting to turn. The big clubs are clinging on by showing their power but are being dragged down with their debt and bad management while also showing their desperate side. I don’t just want to see change in the prem, I’d love to see a couple of teams emerge in Spain to dismantle Barca and Madrid.

Indeed.

I said the other day, that there are enough cities and well supported clubs in England to have a conveyor belt of successful clubs like we had before the 1970s; and there are enough big cities and massively supported clubs in Europe to have different clubs winning the European Cup every few years.

Football changing the rules to suit a select few clubs is wrong. There’s nothing special about any of these clubs. Just look where Liverpool were in the 1950s, look at United’s attendances in the 1930s, look at how many titles Bayern won in the first 7 decades of German football (it was 1, by the way!)...

Most of these clubs that are looked upon as the “big” clubs are only put on the pedestal they are because, by pure chance, they just happened to become successful when money really started flooding into football. There’s no other reason for it. There’s nothing special about any of them. They got invested in and moved up to the top (like every successful club ever!) and through a total coincidence they did so at a time when either sponsors or prize money or both were getting big. Or they had huge money invested into them from the likes of Norris at Arsenal, Gibson at United, Moores at Liverpool, Franco at Madrid...

It could have been anyone.

All these clubs have had their time now and they’ve almost ruined football trying to hold on to it. But it’s time for some new successful clubs. It’s time for the likes of West Ham, Leicester, Crystal Palace, Brighton and Norwich to have their time at the top. They are all clubs with big potential: West Ham have a big stadium and big support in London and Essex; Leicester are a one club city; Palace have the largest population catchment area in London; and Brighton and Norwich have the two of best ratios of largest catchment area to the fewest clubs near them in the country (look at Norwich’s average attendances in the third tier!.. better than Leeds).

Why not them?! There’s nothing different to their potential than to Arsenal’s before 1919, before United in the 1930s, before Liverpool in the 1950s.

 

[City Man]

Indeed.

I said the other day, that there are enough cities and well supported clubs in England to have a conveyor belt of successful clubs like we had before the 1970s; and there are enough big cities and massively supported clubs in Europe to have different clubs winning the European Cup every few years.

Football changing the rules to suit a select few clubs is wrong. There’s nothing special about any of these clubs. Just look where Liverpool were in the 1950s, look at United’s attendances in the 1930s, look at how many titles Bayern won in the first 7 decades of German football (it was 1, by the way!)...

Most of these clubs that are looked upon as the “big” clubs are only put on the pedestal they are because, by pure chance, they just happened to become successful when money really started flooding into football. There’s no other reason for it. There’s nothing special about any of them. They got invested in and moved up to the top (like every successful club ever!) and through a total coincidence they did so at a time when either sponsors or prize money or both were getting big. Or they had huge money invested into them from the likes of Norris at Arsenal, Gibson at United, Moores at Liverpool, Franco at Madrid...

It could have been anyone.

All these clubs have had their time now and they’ve almost ruined football trying to hold on to it. But it’s time for some new successful clubs. It’s time for the likes of West Ham, Leicester, Crystal Palace, Brighton and Norwich to have their time at the top. They are all clubs with big potential: West Ham have a big stadium and big support in London and Essex; Leicester are a one club city; Palace have the largest population catchment area in London; and Brighton and Norwich have the two of best ratios of largest catchment area to the fewest clubs near them in the country (look at Norwich’s average attendances in the third tier!.. better than Leeds).

Why not them?! There’s nothing different to their potential than to Arsenal’s before 1919, before United in the 1930s, before Liverpool in the 1950s.

I agree but am surprised you've missed the one club with possibly the biggest potential, Newcastle. A big city team with a passionate fanbase capable of full capacity every home game, helped by the ground logistics. If only they could get free of the shackles of Ashley and get an owner with a decent business development strategy, I'm convinced they would be a credible top four force in the PL making it even more attractive than it is now.

 

[mancityvstoke]

I agree but am surprised you've missed the one club with possibly the biggest potential, Newcastle. A big city team with a passionate fanbase capable of full capacity every home game, helped by the ground logistics. If only they could get free of the shackles of Ashley and get an owner with a decent business development strategy, I'm convinced they would be a credible top four force in the PL making it even more attractive than it is now.

They need extra wide turnstiles though the fat cunts

 

[TonyM]

Spot on!

Two horrible and terribly run football clubs, whose business models should be avoided at all costs by all clubs in football.

The players, managers, and CEOs themselves have been given a free pass this week though. It’s been their greed that’s fed this spiral downwards. The players and their agents constantly pushing for higher and higher wages, demanding more from clubs who don’t have the money, threatening to go elsewhere if they don’t get it. Managers earning eye watering amounts of money with gigantic pay-offs if they get sacked.

Even the top football clubs only bring in £550-700m a season. City, who don’t have the highest wage bill, have a £150m player wage bill but over £300m payroll (for all staff inc. Pep and the boardroom) from a £550 revenue.

Barça’s wage bill is £235m so god knows what their entire payroll is!

It’s not sustainable. It’s actually a shambolic way to run a business.

The answer isn’t a European Super League that will bring in more money though, the answer has to be a cap on salaries. Make football more fair across the board, instead of allowing clubs to get into more and more debt just to fund wages and transfer fees and letting them get away with almost going bust and ruining themselves, their leagues and football in general.

Come down hard on debt!

If a club can’t afford a player or manager, don’t allow them to finance it. Just let these clubs slide down the table for a while. It’s how football used to be run for decades upon decades. Some clubs would have their time at the top, then they’d fade away, and another club would be top dogs for a while.

Why do these “big” clubs think they have a devine right to always be top clubs? Hardly any of them have always been top clubs throughout football history. Not Liverpool not United not Bayern not Barça not Arsenal not Paris not Inter not Milan... only one club has ever really been successful throughout football history and that’s Real Madrid, but look at how they’ve gone about that over the decades.

It’s time this was seriously looked at!

You mean some sort of financial fair play? I agree.

 

[dickie davies]

The forming of the champions league and the premier league meant the teams at the top of their leagues at that time got comfortable with the money coming in. The clubs at the very top of European football has barely changed for 30 years and it’s time for some variety. I want to see West Ham/Everton/Leicester taking the places of United/Liverpool/Arsenal. Football does work in cycles and at the minute you get the feeling that the circle is starting to turn. The big clubs are clinging on by showing their power but are being dragged down with their debt and bad management while also showing their desperate side. I don’t just want to see change in the prem, I’d love to see a couple of teams emerge in Spain to dismantle Barca and Madrid.

The difference between la liga and the prem is the distribution of TV money
In England it's shared very fairly. In la liga Real Madrid and Barcelona receive up to three times more than other clubs

La Liga TV money by club 2023 | Statista

How much do La Liga clubs earn in broadcasting payments? In 2022/23, Real Madrid earned nearly 156 million euros in domestic TV money.

www.statista.com

 

[Dribble]

I agree but am surprised you've missed the one club with possibly the biggest potential, Newcastle. A big city team with a passionate fanbase capable of full capacity every home game, helped by the ground logistics. If only they could get free of the shackles of Ashley and get an owner with a decent business development strategy, I'm convinced they would be a credible top four force in the PL making it even more attractive than it is now.

Sunderland, Leeds, Middlesbrough, WBA, Birmingham City - The list goes on.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

I'm impressed there are still 95 still standing strong as 'Yes' men & ladies........

 

[dickie davies]

Spot on!

Two horrible and terribly run football clubs, whose business models should be avoided at all costs by all clubs in football.

The players, managers, and CEOs themselves have been given a free pass this week though. It’s been their greed that’s fed this spiral downwards. The players and their agents constantly pushing for higher and higher wages, demanding more from clubs who don’t have the money, threatening to go elsewhere if they don’t get it. Managers earning eye watering amounts of money with gigantic pay-offs if they get sacked.

Even the top football clubs only bring in £550-700m a season. City, who don’t have the highest wage bill, have a £150m player wage bill but over £300m payroll (for all staff inc. Pep and the boardroom) from a £550 revenue.

Barça’s wage bill is £235m so god knows what their entire payroll is!

It’s not sustainable. It’s actually a shambolic way to run a business.

The answer isn’t a European Super League that will bring in more money though, the answer has to be a cap on salaries. Make football more fair across the board, instead of allowing clubs to get into more and more debt just to fund wages and transfer fees and letting them get away with almost going bust and ruining themselves, their leagues and football in general.

Come down hard on debt!

If a club can’t afford a player or manager, don’t allow them to finance it. Just let these clubs slide down the table for a while. It’s how football used to be run for decades upon decades. Some clubs would have their time at the top, then they’d fade away, and another club would be top dogs for a while.

Why do these “big” clubs think they have a devine right to always be top clubs? Hardly any of them have always been top clubs throughout football history. Not Liverpool not United not Bayern not Barça not Arsenal not Paris not Inter not Milan... only one club has ever really been successful throughout football history and that’s Real Madrid, but look at how they’ve gone about that over the decades.

It’s time this was seriously looked at!

Salary caps would be unfair to implement because of the different tax rates in each country
What could be looked at is a maximum percentage of revenue to wages, something like 60%