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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%

  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%
  • Total voters
    2,063
Parisian said:
Why 6 PL clubs in the 15 founding members ?

Just take a look at the most rich european clubs. You'll find exactly the dirty 12 + Dortmund, Bayern and PSG. The only exception being Sait Petesburg being replaced by mighty Milan AC.

This is why. It was just a cartel of the powerful clubs.
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More to it than that in the PL, they needed 6, because to vote other clubs out of the PL they needed 75% vote, 5 clubs wasn't enough, so pressure was applied to get 6 (us and Chelsea), it was either 6 PL clubs or none, and why it rapidly became none once we pulled out, because if we then voted with the other 14, the rest could be expelled, and none of us wanted no PL.
 
The hypocrisy of Sky is absolutely laughable. Wasn't it sky that was charging £15 per game at the start of the pandemic on top of your subscription as they'd be told they could now screen every match!!
And then they were forced to back down as it was a global pandemic and that was just pure greed.

And now they want to complain and be outraged about the ESL for the same things they were doing.

How short are their memories at there mock outrage.
 
Fordyboy46 said:
Perez being an absolute **** saying all six clubs have signed a binding contract, I knew he'd make it so difficult to leave and why oh fucking why did we sign up to this shit. Whoever agreed to it at City needs to go, I still can't get my head around why we did it with the bastard clubs involved, they wanted to ruin us. Jump off a cliff Perez you fucking arsehole.
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I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. He's a fuckin lunatic
 
For the non-English clubs it wasn't "greed" but about "debt" IMO and clamouring for ways to save their clubs. It we were in their shoes we may also be desperate and convince ourselves that past accomplishments are worth way more than current ones.

Not sure that the same can be said for the PL clubs so in a way they should be treated harsher (playing devil's advocate).
 
cleavers said:
Yes.

I can see why we signed up, it was because of the 75% voting thing in the PL, if we didn't, and it went ahead and was successful, we were on the losing side financially. By being on the inside, the other PL clubs couldn't force all 6 clubs out, as they didn't have enough votes, so it was better to be in, as we retained the PL, and replaced the CL with the SL.

We then realised by pulling out, we screwed the others in the PL as they (assuming we voted with the other PL sides) didn't have enough votes with 5 to make 75%, and they could have been kicked out, and if the SL failed they were done for, hence we all pulled out quickly.

Whatever happens from here, City wanted more influence, either with UEFA, or any other thing that comes along. I'm not sure we have achieved that either, perhaps we have with UEFA's president, but not with the ECA, and in the PL by even agreeing to join, we have lost any trust with the other 14 clubs, and the other 5 are enemies anyway.
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Sounds like one of Baldrick's cunning plans.
 
Academica said:
Sounds like one of Baldrick's cunning plans.
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I don't think it was a "cunning plan" or even a plan at all tbh, but the SL needed as many as it could get, and if the PL was to be involved without breaking the PL, it had to be 6 clubs.

Had the PL not needed 75% to kick the others out, City and Chelsea would never have been invited in the first place imho.
 
HolisticJim said:
The hypocrisy of Sky is absolutely laughable. Wasn't it sky that was charging £15 per game at the start of the pandemic on top of your subscription as they'd be told they could now screen every match!!
And then they were forced to back down as it was a global pandemic and that was just pure greed.

And now they want to complain and be outraged about the ESL for the same things they were doing.

How short are their memories at there mock outrage.
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The other party that I think has to be looked at are the executives and even the players. After all, the main costs of all of the football clubs are players' salaries. I know that early in the pandemic there was talk of players agreeing to temporary pay cuts and as far as I'm aware, they didn't budge. Executives at my company took a voluntary 50% pay cut for the first quarter or two, while we figured out the impact on our business. Our CEO even took a 100% salary cut at that point. Once our revenue and profits returned to normal, they then rescinded the cuts. That gesture went a long way to stabilizing the business during the initial downturn and uncertainty that followed.
 
cleavers said:
I don't think it was a "cunning plan" or even a plan at all tbh, but the SL needed as many as it could get, and if the PL was to be involved without breaking the PL, it had to be 6 clubs.

Had the PL not needed 75% to kick the others out, City and Chelsea would never have been invited in the first place imho.
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I think you’re right.
Football has eaten itself, or at least attempted to, has not quite succeeded, but will attempt to again soon.
I’m hanging in there but know full well that in the not too distant future I most probably will call time on my enthusiasm for the game.
When it ultimately stops being a sport and is nothing more than a business, I know I won’t give a damn who wins.

Sad but true.
 
It has shown the difference in ethos the fans and owners have to Football.

To fans it is a cultural and social human endeavour. A focal point to join together to share experiences and comradery, in the same way going to church is for the religious types.

To owners it is an investment, purely. Or more specifically, a return on investment. To ignore what is, in effect, the core of Football is beyond idiotic. This is what happens when they DONT have fan representation on their boards.

This episode has clearly demonstrated the legions of people behind the scenes at these clubs have NO IDEA what Football actually is.

I would hazard a guess that 75% of folk on this message board would have walked away from City if this plan went ahead, maybe some would have been compelled to stay with the club out of loyalty, but most would have walked.... THAT'S how bad this idea is.

Just imagine if Warner Brothers had bought the RSC and, after a review, decided that the income from Hamlet and Macbeth wasn't enough, so they have decided to put on pantomimes and conventions as well, to up the profit margins. There would, and should, be outrage.

Some cultural aspects of society cannot be messed around with for an increase in % to the absent owners (or as I prefer to call them, guardians) of Football clubs.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I think you’re right.
Football has eaten itself, or at least attempted to, has not quite succeeded, but will attempt to again soon.
I’m hanging in there but know full well that in the not too distant future I most probably will call time on my enthusiasm for the game.
When it ultimately stops being a sport and is nothing more than a business, I know I won’t give a damn who wins.

Sad but true.
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I understand where you are coming from and hold similar feelings. It will be very difficult if not impossible to not care wether city win or lose though. Too deeply engrained from a young age.
 
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