Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Deleted member 77198]

This is apparently going to be a new ruling from the government, you couldn't make it up

Where is it apparent? I’ve not seen this anywhere

 

[unicorn]

On the new guidance...

...journeys to and from the affected areas – Bedford, Blackburn and Darwen, Bolton, Burnley, Kirklees, Leicester, Hounslow, and North Tyneside – should be avoided “unless essential”...

...The update did not seem to have been accompanied by an official announcement and it is also understood that local leaders and public health directors were unaware of it.

Figures in Bolton council were not informed of the developments, the Guardian understands.

Extraordinary stuff.

Ministers urged to clarify travel advice for England’s Covid hotspots

Guidance about Bolton and seven other areas apparently put online without announcement

www.theguardian.com

We were in North Tyneside (North Shields and Whitley Bay) on Saturday at the end of my Hadrian's Wall walk.

No indication of any warning against visiting, and life largely back to normal bar sign-in and distancing outside the takeaways in Whitley Bay, great to see.

There was a giant (surge ?) testing centre down the middle of North Shields High Street which made social distancing (albeit outside) pretty much impossible ! Mrs Unicorn thought folk looked like they were getting tested because they were bored.

Just for context, these are latest Covid headlines for North Tyneside (pop 210,000);

No deaths in last week, only 2 admissions.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Dunno why i bothered clicking on this thread tbh. Was in a great mood, and in here reads like we're back at square one. Had a great weekend. Was jabbed on Thursday, Friday out in bar with our neighbours, saw my niece and nephew in person for the first time in a year on Saturday morning, had my parents round for tea in the evening actually indoors for the first time in a year... saw City in person on Sunday. Was on cloud nine yesterday! Immense weekend. Click in here and the world is ending apparently. I could've sworn what's actually happening is the bumpy road out of this many predicted cos it was always going to be like that, but that broadly things are going quite well and we're actually doing very fucking well.

Small doses. I check in to read the stats and make Shakespeare jokes and then I go again.

 

[grunge]

I don't know anyone with two jabs isolating tbh. Who is?

Its in the track and trace guidelines. if your exposed you still have to isolate as you could transmit it.

edit: or it was when I looked last week as im supposed to be traveling for an event. but now I cant see it mentioned.

Edit 2. found it.

[Withdrawn] [Withdrawn] Guidance for contacts of people with confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) infection who do not live with the person

www.gov.uk

If you have been informed by NHS Test and Trace that you are a contact of a person who has had a positive test result for COVID-19, you must stay at home and complete 10 full days isolation. Your isolation period includes the date of your last contact with them and the next ten full days. This means that if, for example, your last contact with them was at any time on the 15th of the month, your isolation period ends at 23:59 hrs on the 25th.

Do not go to work, school, or public areas, and do not use public transport or taxis.

In some circumstances, the person you had close contact with will have a follow-up test and may be advised that they can stop self-isolating. If this happens, NHS Test and Trace will contact you and advise that you can stop self-isolating too.

If you develop any of the following symptoms: a new continuous cough, a high temperature, or a loss of, or change in, your normal sense of taste or smell (anosmia), you should arrange to have a PCR test for COVID-19.

If you do not have any of these symptoms, other people in your household do not need to self-isolate with you.

If anyone you live with is clinically extremely vulnerable, stay away from them as much as possible.

This guidance still applies even if you have received one or more doses of COVID-19 vaccine.

 

[splinter]

government to answer questions in house of commons 12.30 on covid travel restrictions..

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Where is it apparent? I’ve not seen this anywhere

I read it last night on Daily mail but can't find it now sorry.

 

[grunge]

I read it last night on Daily mail but can't find it now sorry.

Jesus you read the Dail Mail. explains a lot.

Avoid that one!

 

[grunge]

Variants get painted as the bad guys in all this. And - whilst I am way more understanding of any virus than I was a year ago I am not remotely an expert in them - but I think the comparison with the 1918/19 Flu pandemic is different in many ways.

For a start no air travel meant the Indian variant would have taken months not hours to travel cross continents.

Also flu is not the same as a Covid variant as humans have some degree of resistance to flu.

Equally there were no vaccines then so it ran riot and burned out faster by that herd immunity I assume,

Plus pioneers of where we are now - such as the chief medc in Manchester at the time - used the concept of social distancing and lockdown (which in truth is centuries old from when medicine was plants an poultices) to mitigate its impact on the city and saved many lives. And that hit younger people more than Covid,

So I do not think you can easily compare.

I do not know the science enough to know the ultimate end game of the variants but will one ever become globally dominant and will humans simply develop increasing immunity to that via catching it or vaccination? Or will something else potentially worse for us always be waiting to win the genetic lottery and create the Washington variant that turns everybody orange?

The good news is that science is on this big time and has rapidly got to where we are much faster than anyone imagined I think. So I suspect we will get there into some kind of live and let live balance that suits us and the virus as its aim is not to kill us and dominate the pkanet but to infest and thrive. Which it cannot do if it kills all its hosts. That in the end might be where a balance point emerges. And all these variants may just be hastening that day,

Pure speculation possibly quite mistaken and I am sure those who are more understanding of the science will explain why.

Agreed its not a 1 to 1 comparison. but it is a trend that occures with Pandemics in general. they spike for a 2/3 years then fade off. No reason to think this one will be any different.

we are effecting it by locking down etc etc so time scales may vary because of that but all in all I cant see why this wouldn't follow a similar pattern to other pandemics.

 

[cleavers]

Its in the track and trace guidelines. if your exposed you still have to isolate as you could transmit it.

That's if you test positive, doesn't matter if 1 jab, 2 jabs or no jabs, it's what you should do.

Twosips was replying to BLUEMAT23 who was saying people with 2 jabs are still isolating from catching it, which is clearly not true.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Variants get painted as the bad guys in all this. And - whilst I am way more understanding of any virus than I was a year ago I am not remotely an expert in them - but I think the comparison with the 1918/19 Flu pandemic is different in many ways.

For a start no air travel meant the Indian variant would have taken months not hours to travel cross continents.

Also flu is not the same as a Covid variant as humans have some degree of resistance to flu.

Equally there were no vaccines then so it ran riot and burned out faster by that herd immunity I assume,

Plus pioneers of where we are now - such as the chief medc in Manchester at the time - used the concept of social distancing and lockdown (which in truth is centuries old from when medicine was plants an poultices) to mitigate its impact on the city and saved many lives. And that hit younger people more than Covid,

So I do not think you can easily compare.

I do not know the science enough to know the ultimate end game of the variants but will one ever become globally dominant and will humans simply develop increasing immunity to that via catching it or vaccination? Or will something else potentially worse for us always be waiting to win the genetic lottery and create the Washington variant that turns everybody orange?

The good news is that science is on this big time and has rapidly got to where we are much faster than anyone imagined I think. So I suspect we will get there into some kind of live and let live balance that suits us and the virus as its aim is not to kill us and dominate the pkanet but to infest and thrive. Which it cannot do if it kills all its hosts. That in the end might be where a balance point emerges. And all these variants may just be hastening that day,

Pure speculation possibly quite mistaken and I am sure those who are more understanding of the science will explain why.

All fair points except quite a lot of the population have some immunity to Covid, via the excellent human immune system, a point continually ignored by the media. Immunity of course meaning very mild or no symptoms, which is how the vast majority of the population are affected by this virus. Most people need a test to tell them they’ve got it which is a testament to how good the immune system really is.
Watch for a surge in children admitted to intensive care from about September onwards with respiratory viruses. Nothing to do with Covid, but everything to do with lockdown.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Bollocks. Where have you seen that? Post a link, I think you have made it up

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-1...a-where-the-new-covid-19-variant-is-spreading

 

[grunge]

That's if you test positive, doesn't matter if 1 jab, 2 jabs or no jabs, it's what you should do.

Twosips was replying to BLUEMAT23 who was saying people with 2 jabs are still isolating from catching it, which is clearly not true.

Ahh sorry, my mistake there. as in Shielding rather than the track and trace isolation rules.

 

[artfuldodger]

what from before the pandemic do you not see us getting back ?

I think there will be lots of things we don’t get back in the same way. I dont think it will be down to government or legal restrictions. I think it will be similar to how terrorist events have changed the way we fly, go to a gig, or attend a football match. We still do those thing, but with more hassle. Just look at the issue with Parkrun being unable to start up because landowners are anxious about allowing the event to happen, despite the government telling them they should. Public services may never go back to what they were as far as offering a face to face service. I hope I’m wrong.

 

[Healdplace]

THIS WILL PLEASE A FEW HERE.... NOT THE DOOMSAYERS THOUGH

WALES DATA:'

0 deaths - was 0 last week

19 cases - was 32 last week

0.4% postivity - was 0.4% last week

19 cases in the whole of Wales.

Last night they had just 39 people in hospital and ONE on a ventilator.

 

[KingRuben]

Had a bit of an outbreak at the school I work at in Bolton so lots of students home for the last week of term. At the same time somebody in my childcare support bubble tested positive over the weekend so I myself am now isolating. They’re fully jabbed and I had my first last week and at the minute I’m returning negative tests on lateral flow - this could evidence the reduction in transmission from the vaccines.

This person has kissed our baby (it’s her nana) and been looking after her a lot so really surprised it’s not passed onto any of us, hopefully it doesn’t.

 

[Windrush48]

Where is it apparent? I’ve not seen this anywhere

I think a statement in the commons is imminent (Tuesday afternoon).

Small doses. I check in to read the stats and make Shakespeare jokes and then I go again.

If you keep doing that, you'll be bard.

 

[Tonster]

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/covid-1...a-where-the-new-covid-19-variant-is-spreading

The comment was people with 2 jabs need to isolate (no context, no explanation) You posted a link about keeping away from areas where the variant is spreading.

 

[grunge]

COVID news live: UK map shows areas Indian variant is taking hold as booster jabs may not happen until 2022

New coronavirus guidance issued for Bedford, Blackburn with Darwen, Bolton, Burnley, Kirklees, Leicester, Hounslow and North Tyneside - but areas say nothing has changed.

news.sky.com

Id guess this is just the DM making shit up like they usually do. But its not something being made up by BLUEMATT23. but rather probably the DM.

08:13

Minister addresses issue of self-isolation even if fully vaccinated
Therese Coffey, asked about suggestions in one newspaper that fully vaccinated people will still be told to self-isolate if they come into contact with positive cases after 21 June, said she was "not aware of the basis" of the reports.
The Work and Pensions Secretary told LBC radio: "I'm conscious that that's a headline in one of the newspapers.
"I'm not aware of the basis of that particular information but, as has been said all along, we will keep working through all the data that has come in from right across the country to understand how we reduce the transmission of this (Indian) variant.
"I think it is too early to get into speculation about what will be happening with the social distancing and other elements from what we hope will still be 21 June.
"We know that the virus and variants will continue to be a factor and an element of life in this country and within the world.
"That's why the success of the vaccination programme so far is really important in trying to tackle the impact coronavirus can have, but also we are still trying to build the data and understanding the data and what happens with transmissions and how we are tackling new variants."

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Holidays, Sports events, hospitality. I don't honestly think that this will ever be back to "normal".
You may be able to go / attend to the above but I think the numbers will be limited etc.

I’m on holiday right now - you still have that choice. It’s fine and probably a great if not the best time to go away because it’s nice and quiet, the airport is a breeze and the weather at home is dreadful.

I feel 1000x better already thanks to the sunshine and being away from the doom and misery that our media seem to revel in. I prescribe you all a holiday and recommend you get away asap

 

[splinter]

THIS WILL PLEASE A FEW HERE.... NOT THE DOOMSAYERS THOUGH

WALES DATA:'

0 deaths - was 0 last week

19 cases - was 32 last week

0.4% postivity - was 0.4% last week

19 cases in the whole of Wales.

Last night they had just 39 people in hospital and ONE on a ventilator.

A little holiday in Wales could be in order