Coronavirus (2021) thread

[jaseirai]

What does everyone make of these Fauci emails that have been released? Surprised they haven’t been discussed on here. Potential cover up regarding a lab creating the virus and evidence from other countries that Hydroxychloroquine is effective yet he chose to say it wasn’t are 2 of the it’s people are talking about. All seems very dodgy.

Good article here if you can access it.

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[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I had the Moderna vaccine mid April, over 50 so should be having my second anytime. Tried cancelling and rebooking for an earlier date, but nothing available before the end of June. Feels to me like Moderna supplies aren't there?

Mid April means you should get your second dose in mid July.

 

[Marvin]

Children and under 30s, are the last reservoir for the virus. It will spike and then crash. Then slow burn until the boosters. Since the Kent variant came on the scene in January, all eyes should have been on the biology as that dictates everything.

 

[Marvin]

Mid April means you should get your second dose in mid July.

Mid June if it's an 8 week interval for over 50s.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Mid June if it's an 8 week interval for over 50s.

Likely to be switched to 8 week interval for over 40’s too.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

What does everyone make of these Fauci emails that have been released? Surprised they haven’t been discussed on here. Potential cover up regarding a lab creating the virus and evidence from other countries that Hydroxychloroquine is effective yet he chose to say it wasn’t are 2 of the it’s people are talking about. All seems very dodgy.

Sounds like bollocks to me...

[briefly checks]

Yup, complete bollocks.

Viral Posts, Pundits Distort Fauci Emails - FactCheck.org

Thousands of pages of redacted emails to and from Dr. Anthony Fauci are now publicly available, thanks to journalists' Freedom of Information Act requests. Some of those messages have been distorted in viral posts, particularly about face masks, the origins of the coronavirus and the...

www.factcheck.org

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Mid June if it's an 8 week interval for over 50s.

Indeed it is, but mid July if he isn’t.

 

[worsleyweb]

50 percent of adults both vaccines. That’s great news. Take up will be much less in the younger generation I would guess. Interesting few weeks ahead to see how bad this 3rd wave gets.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Likely to be switched to 8 week interval for over 40’s too.

Don’t think it will be unless the vaccine supply changes. Not only that but there have been a lot less of the over 50’s moving their second jabs forward than was expected.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Sounds like bollocks to me...

[briefly checks]

Yup, complete bollocks.

Viral Posts, Pundits Distort Fauci Emails - FactCheck.org

Thousands of pages of redacted emails to and from Dr. Anthony Fauci are now publicly available, thanks to journalists' Freedom of Information Act requests. Some of those messages have been distorted in viral posts, particularly about face masks, the origins of the coronavirus and the...

www.factcheck.org

Americans fucking love getting worked up over creatively redacted leaked emails, don’t they. It’s a national obsession.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Don't understand this. Last report we jabbed over 500,000 on June 3.

Indeed. Roughly 1% of the adult population every day.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

The proper facts are that mutations like L452R in the Indian variant are related to the following escape antibody reactions: mAb bamlanivimab, mAb class2, mAb class2/3, mAb COV2-2096, mAb P2B-2F6, mAb regdanvimab, mAb S2D32, mAb S2H70, mAb S2N12, mAb S2N22, mAb S2X30, mAb S2X305, mAb S2X58, mAb S2X608, mAb S2X609, mAb S2X619, mAb SARS2-01, mAb SARS2-32, mAb X593.

That's one mutation.

There are some neutralising antibody reactions that remain unaffected. That is why we now need high antibody titres to get an effective neutralisation hence you need two jabs.

If you check the relevant databases you will find that there are 19 new mutations that have been detected in the new variant just whilst it has been circulating in the UK. Fingers crossed that we don't get any that will KO any of the remaining neutralising antibody reactions.

There are other aspects to immunity than antibodies but it isn't all good news. The vaccines remain effective for the time being against the major circulating strains. And I think we this current spike will be short-lived. My concern is what happens after it sweeps the world. Where will that leave our immunity? I don't know but we should be very wary.

Mutation this mutation that. The fact is non of these variants are denting the vaccines at the moment. Moderna and pfizer can be adapted very quickly for variants that pop up so why worry about variants that don't exist yet. If you are worried about this then you should be really worried about the current extremely contagious and deadly bird flu variant that might jump to humans at somepoint. I know I won't be worrying about it until it actually happens. I've said it before and I'll say it again but I'm not staying in to protect people who won't get a jab. I've done my bit and if they want to be idiots then that's up to them

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Mutation this mutation that. The fact is non of these variants are denting the vaccines at the moment.

Well, that's wrong for a start.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

50 percent of adults both vaccines. That’s great news. Take up will be much less in the younger generation I would guess. Interesting few weeks ahead to see how bad this 3rd wave gets.

Hopefully more than we might expect, just judging by the length of queues at drop in centres which we've seen so far. It's great to see so many young people keen to get vaccinated quickly. Understand there'll be lots who are blasé about it though. Hope you're on the mend sooner rather than later WW.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Well, that's wrong for a start.

Really?? Go on then. Every single case of the current hospitalisations haven't had a jab. What's your evidence

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Really?? Go on then. Every single case of the current hospitalisations haven't had a jab. What's your evidence

My evidence? It's actual evidence. Here. 2 doses offer great protection, 1 dose much much less so (which wasn't the case up until Delta variant made its mark). But 'every single hospitalisation haven't had a jab' is absolutely wrong.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

My evidence? It's actual evidence. Here. 2 doses offer great protection, 1 dose much much less so (which wasn't the case up until Delta variant made its mark). But 'every single hospitalisation haven't had a jab' is absolutely wrong.

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Ha ha a 15-20% reduction on the first Jab and a slight possibly reduction on the second jab. Really is that all you have?

 

[west didsblue]

Pfizer jabs for anyone that turns up today at NMGH.

 

[flook]

Don’t think it will be unless the vaccine supply changes. Not only that but there have been a lot less of the over 50’s moving their second jabs forward than was expected.

The reason for that, online at least, is you couldn't move the date forward without cancelling the appointment you already had. Tried by phone, number 450 ish in the queue, so left it as it was. Heard the same story from 2 others whilst queueing at the vax centre last week

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Every single case of the current hospitalisations haven't had a jab.

No, sorry, unfortunately that's incorrect.

I can't locate exact figures, but from PHE press release (my bold):

278 people with the Delta (VOC-21APR-02) variant attended A&E this week, resulting in 94 people being admitted to hospital overnight. Last week, 201 people attended A&E, with 43 admissions. Once again, the majority of these had not been vaccinated.

I read elsewhere that there has been one death of a fully vaccinated individual and three of partially vaccinated. The death and hospitalisation data I think are both too sparse to draw strong conclusions on the extent of vaccine escape yet.