BlueHammer85
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does that mean we're all invited ?
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does that mean we're all invited ?
The Northern Baptist
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I can imagine so. That is what The Times are reporting anyway. A very well connected paper
Robanompivenov
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First of all, don't give up on your lad.
It sounds like he's regurgitating nonsense he's read online but it's only through engagement and evidencing that what he believes isn't true will he change his mind, conflict often engrains the opinion more as can be seen in many a thread on this here forum.
One thing I will say to the "it's not been tested fully" arguement is that it's complete horseshite.
Novel coronaviruses aren't new, there have been hundreds identified to date. Genome analysis of CV-19 shows it's over 80% identical to SARS. So the studying, understanding, knowledge of these virus is far spanning and deep. Yes CV-19 was new and affected us more severely but it wasn't a totally new disease we had no knowledge of.
What's different about CV-19 is how the S protein/spike proteins binds to host cells which had implications to vaccine development, once that was understood (and the whole fucking world were on the case with this strain) a vaccine was able to be developed. It's that simple.
The infertility myth seems to have stemmed from a German doctor who claimed that the CV-19 protein spike shared a similar genetic code to that of the proteins in a womans placenta. The thought process being that the bodies immune system would attack these placenta cells after a vaccine ultimately making a woman infertile. It's been debunked as bollocks.
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Your stress over this seems perfectly reasonable to me!
Equally, weddings have proved a particularly good way to spread COVID, so I'd understand the 30 restriction continuing given where we are.
It's all shit, basically.
unicorn
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The % of deaths with Delta variant : 55% unvaccinated; 29% fully vaccinated sounds a bit worrying but of course it's a very low number (12 deaths of 42) and without underplaying Covid we know that some of those 12 will have likely had other health conditions.
Robanompivenov
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Vaccines work
grunge
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they are telling us everything we need to know. the Indian variant is 60% more transmissible and single shot vaccine is no where near as efficient as double.
therefore need to get more people double dosed!
From Sky news.
As for Jobs etc, there is a reason the Furlough scheme is in place till September!.
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M18CTID
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Hopefully what he said is correct and you can have the wedding you've planned for mate. It's understandable why you've been worried even if it turns out there was nothing to worry about because it's nigh on impossible keeping up with what restrictions are in place and what aren't at times!
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There's no control here, so you can't read efficacy in directly, but going on to contradict myself, it maybe tells us:
1. Any major wave will see significant proportion of deaths in the vaccinated group
2. Inferring efficacy brings very good news: Efficacy against death is probably very high. I think something like 90% of the previously vulnerable to death have been vaccinated, yet 55% of deaths are in unvaccinated. That suggests 10:1 hazard ratio or better.
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Wales data:
0 deaths - was 0 last week
118 cases - was 71 last week (This will be the final day of the missing cases catch up over past 3 days)
0.9% positivity - was 0.5% last week
0 deaths - was 0 last week
118 cases - was 71 last week (This will be the final day of the missing cases catch up over past 3 days)
0.9% positivity - was 0.5% last week
Conversely, if anyone knows that they do stop you being fertile so I don't have to get the snip next year, feel free to let me know.
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Indeed the recent England hospital deaths still show about 50% are over 60 years old. But we are talking maybe 3 a day. Which as you say are likely those with co morbidities.
Not only are these numbers way below what they were even a few weeks ago the other key is that now quite often the numbers dying aged UNDER 60 is similar or even higher.
This is very significant as whilst again we are talking maybe 3, 4 or 5 a day the balance of ages has shifted just as it has with those testing positive.
And the one obvious reason why both these things would shift is that the older you are the more likely you are to have had both vaccinations.
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Correct, it was always "the earliest date", not a definite date.
Also nothing has actually been announced yet.
ayrshire_blue
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Absolutely.
ell
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It will then be "Everybody needs autumn boosters first"
grunge
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20m doses of the J&J single shot vaccine were ordered for later in the year. probably for booster if needed. down from the 30m they originally ordered but 20m doses is a good figure for over 50's and those with severe issues.
wouldn't surprise me if in the future a Covid+Flu shot comes out to do it all in 1 for the older generations.
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This will be true for the foreseeable future but will not impact opening up.
That is only likely to be delayed now for one reason. We let the Delta variant take root.
It was a mistake that could have been avoided (or possibly just mitigated if not entirely avoided). But it was not and as it is now getting everywhere and not even localised as it was a month ago opening up even unaffected places risks an explosion.
Only if we let another variant with a dangerous trajectory take root in future will major changes be required.
As by then everyone will have some immunity via the vaccines and the boosters will just be that. A top up. Not a necessity before major shifts in policy occur.
We will need them up to when - or even if - Covid disappears - or most likely best case scenario is contained to regional outbreaks we control before becoming widespread.
That is not happening this side of 2023. But the world will not be locked down until then. We are in the phase where we transition to living with Covid not shielding from it. But that is a process you have to take carefully not leap into hoping for the best.
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I think he's booked for Timperley by Taxi now. He did try all over the place including the Etihad which would have been a single bus ride. It would have been a nostalgia trip for me on the old 53 route.
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I think you're being harsh on your stepson.
Try and be empathetic with him. He's scared. You're doing the right thing in finding evidence to debunk his theories, but it has to be his decision and he has the freedom to choose what he puts into his body or not.
There won't be another lockdown. Personally think everyone has given up now.
Time to move on, it will never get to zero covid, think everyone accepts we will live with forever now
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