NHS Pay Award,letter to Johnson from my union,please sign if you can

My Son is a nurse at the Birmingham Chidrens Hospital, not sure i could do his job.
He's pretty well paid with all his enhancements but not everyone who works in the NHS can say the same.
I've signed, the NHS is an amazing institution & should be backed/protected at all costs.
 
i have always been a supporter of the nhs, but in february when my sister had a still birth at 8 and a half months it re inforced just how vital the nhs and the people who work in it are
 
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moggymoz said:
You could've fooled me, I'm on £9.89 an hour and I and my NHS work colleges have worked all the way through this shit fest (apart from when I was off April last year with Covid) I know you're probably on a wind up but your really starting to boil my piss.
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So I'll be further behind you when you get your pay rise . I respect what you and others do working for the NHS but I don't agree with paying excessive rises to staff who already get paid a relative fortune compared most.
 
pirate said:
ok so they do that and we then have an even bigger staff shortage than we have now, what happens to the nhs?
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That isn't an individuals concern,and it's a different debate.

The discussion is about wages and happiness,if you're not content with your current lot....do something about it.
 
FantasyIreland said:
That isn't an individuals concern,and it's a different debate.

The discussion is about wages and happiness,if you're not content with your current lot....do something about it.
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you are correct, the individual who works for the nhs its totally their decision.

However

We are the owners of the NHS and decides who runs it and how it should be run.
We are also the end users and are affected by the level of service it offers.
The level of service will drop if the numbers leaving the nhs increase because they are unhappy with the wages and conditions.
As the end users the majority (vast majority?) do not want the level of service to drop.
As the owners we have the power to change the wages and conditions so that people dont leave and service doesn't drop. Its not a different debate, its the same debate.
 
pirate said:
you are correct, the individual who works for the nhs its totally their decision.

However

We are the owners of the NHS and decides who runs it and how it should be run.
We are also the end users and are affected by the level of service it offers.
The level of service will drop if the numbers leaving the nhs increase because they are unhappy with the wages and conditions.
As the end users the majority (vast majority?) do not want the level of service to drop.
As the owners we have the power to change the wages and conditions so that people dont leave and service doesn't drop. Its not a different debate, its the same debate.
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We don't get to decide how much a profession gets paid,we can bitch and moan and make all the petitions we want.....but ultimately,the decision will be made by the Govt.
A section of NHS workers not getting paid a wage worthy of their role is a problem that has existed since i can remember,and it aint changing anytime soon.....in fact, call for more money could not have been worse timed.
 
It is so sad that such a simple thing, a simple idea to enhance the pay of people that care for us and other peoples loved ones can have any push back or people who question it.
There are always going to be nuances and exceptions/anomalies in any occupation, or those that some feel are not worthy of a pay rise. So, yes there may be a question over a blanket pay rise. The same as if you said all civil servants should get a blanket pay rise...as that could include "whitehall mandarins" or MPs who are highly paid already.
Of course we often fall foul of the basic thing of comparing our own pay against that of nurses, care assistants, porters, cleaners etc. In those cases I think we should all look at those jobs and say to ourselves..."would I / could I do that job?"
As a civil servant myself (who is earning less now than I was 12years ago) and the husband of a nurse of 30years, I know I could not do what my wife does. The pain and suffering, the day to day caring and then having to run all over the hospital for crash calls. Not only that but then having to deal with the families, who themselves are often suffering...and therefore often hostile to the staff.
The clapping once or twice was a wonderful gesture...a gesture that after a while (IMO) became patronising...and in the wake of the governments response to the requests for a pay rise for NHS staff...became even more so.
Times are tough for everyone and yes the country does need to balance the books....but our NHS and the people who help it run on a daily basis...deserve more.
 
FantasyIreland said:
We don't get to decide how much a profession gets paid,we can bitch and moan and make all the petitions we want.....but ultimately,the decision will be made by the Govt.
A section of NHS workers not getting paid a wage worthy of their role is a problem that has existed since i can remember,and it aint changing anytime soon.....in fact, call for more money could not have been worse timed.
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That would be the government that we choose
Those general election things, thats what they are all about. Not wokeness, not owning the left or owning the right, not even whether you can eat a bacon butty without looking like a spod, or whether you dance like C3PO.
but choosing real people to make real decisions that affect real people

its the government not me is a bullshit argument in a democracy, we are the government. The fact you are happy to abdicate you responsibility says a lot about your character and morals.

the rest of your argument seems to be they have been screwed over for ages, so fuck em, I am going to let them be screwed over some more
 
pirate said:
That would be the government that we choose
Those general election things, thats what they are all about. Not wokeness, not owning the left or owning the right, not even whether you can eat a bacon butty without looking like a spod, or whether you dance like C3PO.
but choosing real people to make real decisions that affect real people

its the government not me is a bullshit argument in a democracy, we are the government. The fact you are happy to abdicate you responsibility says a lot about your character and morals.

the rest of your argument seems to be they have been screwed over for ages, so fuck em, I am going to let them be screwed over some more
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Due to inflation, a pay freeze is actually a pay cut in the real world.

A 1% pay-rise for our NHS staff isn't a pay-rise.

Our NHS staff get paid less (in real terms) than they did 10 years ago.

Our MPs have had multiple pay-rises in that time.

It's utterly shameful. Thank you to everyone who works in the NHS. You're all class. An especially big thank you to the immigrants who've come and carried the NHS for decades whilst getting abused by cunts who only see skin colour and only hear accents.

You all deserve a fair pay rise.
 
So from reading this thread is it true that nurses earn less than a tenner an hour? Surely not? I pay bar staff about that and they haven't spent years studying to do the job!!
Unless I've read it wrong then fuck yeah they deserve a pay rise.
 
Pablo1 said:
So from reading this thread is it true that nurses earn less than a tenner an hour? Surely not? I pay bar staff about that and they haven't spent years studying to do the job!!
Unless I've read it wrong then fuck yeah they deserve a pay rise.
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they get just over a tenner an hour when they have qualified and start work
 
pirate said:
they get just over a tenner an hour when they have qualified and start work
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Genuinely staggered by that. I'm surprised there are still so many who go into the profession - I can only guess its because of job satisfaction rather than financial.
 
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