Dawn Butler MP

Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
I stopped caring about lying bastards from Westminster when some toff was in charge and lying was often his stock in trade, so much so that the gutter press often named him Bliar. But let's not get into a lather about ANOTHER politician lying, it's what they do! Burglars nick things, thugs batter people, footballers kick a ball, cricketers swing a bat, politicians lie. It'll be real news when it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that one of 'em has told the truth.
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Has it ever crossed your mind that it’s the same gutter press who insisted that Blair was a habitual liar that have been enthusiastically supporting the confirmed liar Johnson without batting an eyelid, and it may well be that they’re the problem rather than the targets of their negative campaigns. The way they report news is specifically to muddy the waters and make people tar everyone with the same brush like you’re doing whereas in reality there’s a huge difference between most politicians that get things wrong occasionally and those that get things wrong all the time and lie about it as a matter of course.
 
Big-P said:
Is Dawn Butler the one who lied about being racially profiled and was videoing harassing a police man doing his job?
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Just watched the video and saw no harassment. She simply asked some justifiable questions without being rude and even told the officer that there was nothing wrong with his demeanour. I have not seen any reporting that says she lied about being racially profiled. She had good reason to suspect she had been racially profiled which is unprovable one way or another so it really isn't appropriate to call it a lie.

Irrespective of that, it's simple whataboutery to bring that up as a comparison to the demonstrable lies that we are repeatedly told by our PM.
 
Pablo1 said:
Must be tough for the hard core tory like yourself seeing their fearless leader being called out on a daily basis and having to scramble about for deflections.
Have some self respect man. Vote Conservative for whatever reason you like, it's a democracy and you're entitled to think that even though you're being served a shit sandwich it's still a better option than labour, but at least stand up and admit those at the top table are doing your party, and more importantly the country, no favours at all right now.
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Didsbury Dave said:
World class whataboutery. You like the big cuddly clown, eh?
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Hi gents, I am no Tory nor fan of Borris. Not a fan of the party that claims to be the Labour Party either. Tossers calling tossers, tossers.
 
west didsblue said:
Has it ever crossed your mind that it’s the same gutter press who insisted that Blair was a habitual liar that have been enthusiastically supporting the confirmed liar Johnson without batting an eyelid, and it may well be that they’re the problem rather than the targets of their negative campaigns. The way they report news is specifically to muddy the waters and make people tar everyone with the same brush like you’re doing whereas in reality there’s a huge difference between most politicians that get things wrong occasionally and those that get things wrong all the time and lie about it as a matter of course.
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It's just like a football match - two sides slugging it out calling each other, and when the boot gets onto the other foot it, er, continues with each side calling the other. I have given up on 'the news' as much of it is speculation dressed up as news.
 
SWP's back said:
I know little about her but if that’s true (is it?), then it would be hypocritical of her to call someone else a liar wouldn’t it?
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If someone is a liar then they can be called a liar. That counts double If that person is the prime minster of this country. Cheap “whataboutery” is irrelevant. I don’t care if this woman’s pants are on fire and he nose is like pinnocio’s. She called him out for what he is and everyone with an IQ over 60 knows he is.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
It's just like a football match - two sides slugging it out calling each other, and when the boot gets onto the other foot it, er, continues with each side calling the other. I have given up on 'the news' as much of it is speculation dressed up as news.
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This is the cognitive dissonance of the gaslit. The only place they’ve got left to go instead of admitting they were made fools of, is “they are all liars”.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
If someone is a liar then they can be called a liar. That counts double If that person is the prime minster of this country. Cheap “whataboutery” is irrelevant. I don’t care if this woman’s pants are on fire and he nose is like pinnocio’s. She called him out for what he is and everyone with an IQ over 60 knows he is.
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Anyone with an IQ over 60 was already aware Boris is a liar. Always has been, always will be.

Not entirely sure that anyone with an IQ over 90 would be swayed by Butler’s actions.
 
SWP's back said:
Anyone with an IQ over 60 was already aware Boris is a liar.

Not entirely sure that anyone with an IQ over 90 would be swayed by Butler’s actions.
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Her words went viral and got people talking. That means it was worthwhile. Will it have much impact? Who knows. In itself it’s a small gesture but if it influences others to do the same thing then good on the woman. Our politics are fucking poison. Our county is a laughing stock. She did the right thing, the decent thing, and that’s enough.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Her words went viral and got people talking. That means it was worthwhile. Will it have much impact? Who knows. In itself it’s a small gesture but if it influences others to do the same thing then good on the woman. Our politics are fucking poison. Our county is a laughing stock. She did the right thing, the decent thing, and that’s enough.
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But who did it go viral with Dave? It went viral with people that a) already think Boris is a **** and b) know he’s a liar.

But if you sleep better tonight because she called him out in the house then who am I to argue.
 
Traditions trump ethics in HoC Top Trumps
A game played by c**ts (mostly)

Well done, Dawn.


I think it was Rahena (sp) Khan (MP and Dr) who got a ticking off from Whately - watch your tone kinda vibe for change.
In other words... how dare you speak of how shit of a job I'm doing. My reputation is far more important than other people's lives.

God I hate them all.
 
SWP's back said:
Anyone with an IQ over 60 was already aware Boris is a liar. Always has been, always will be.

Not entirely sure that anyone with an IQ over 90 would be swayed by Butler’s actions.
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It’s the people with an IQ of less than 90 who vote for him because he seems like a nice chap who need all the help they can get to work out he’s not got their interests at heart.
 
west didsblue said:
It’s the people with an IQ of less than 90 who vote for him because he seems like a nice chap who need all the help they can get to work out he’s not got their interests at heart.
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Don’t think the IQ bell curve has that many under 90 on it Dids but I get your point. But you’re also saying that rural England is thick…
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SWP's back said:
But who did it go viral with Dave? It went viral with people that a) already think Boris is a **** and b) know he’s a liar.

But if you sleep better tonight because she called him out in the house then who am I to argue.
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It made all the TV news channels actually. That means it went to people of all political persuasions. It won’t affect my sleep in any way but it looks like it’s pissed you off.
 
SWP's back said:
Don’t think the IQ bell curve has that many under 90 on it Dids but I get your point. But you’re also saying that rural England is thick…
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I used 90 because it was the number you mentioned but I think the general point is that the less educated (or intelligent) are more likely to vote based more on what they see superficially rather than what they find out by looking into things in more detail, and any help they can get to find out a bit more has to be a good thing even if they still end up supporting him in spite of his uselessness.
 
It’s less that people might now think Johnson is a liar, given most already know that. It’s more that it highlights the failings in parliamentary process that someone can be thrown out for calling him that and yet he faces no consequences for failing to correct the record.

The only thing opposition can do when the norms are thrown out is to take greater lengths to keep that exposed.
 
Unfortunately the masses have been educated over the last 40 years by what they read in the newspapers and, as we all know, these have, mostly been Nasty Party propaganda rags so it is no wonder we are where we are.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
Unfortunately the masses have been educated over the last 40 years by what they read in the newspapers and, as we all know, these have, mostly been Nasty Party propaganda rags so it is no wonder we are where we are.
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Of course, biased press is not a new thing; I have just completed a read of a book and I quote ‘Weekly news books, often controlled by the royalist or parliamentarian leaders or factions among them, gave slanted reports of the war and its attendant controversies.’ This was said about the Civil War in 1642 and the very early stages of the printing press. Anyone who has read Dickens’ Pickwick Papers, his narrative of life in Victorian England, will have read about his view of the hustings and the allegiance to separate newspapers of particular political parties.

The only thing that is new is the lack of the opposite view to the general mass coverage.
 
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