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Keir Starmer
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I miss the old school Labour stuff. I had to study this speech for my English A levels. Was there ever a person more wedded to the use of alliteration than kinnock? Can’t imagine Starmer being this emotional
That wasn't Old school Labour, it was the start of Labour's move to the right. The wishy washy Welsh windbag was an alliterator of sorts, but his alliteration was not that of old school Labour.
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I was the start of Labour’s move to being electable.That wasn't Old school Labour, it was the start of Labour's move to the right. The wishy washy Welsh windbag was an alliterator of sorts, but his alliteration was not that of old school Labour.
Rascal
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It was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. The party became a centre right party akin to the American Democrats in that it was comfortable with capitalist excess. A Labour Party that put the owners of capital before the workers is no Labour Party and the party wonders why the Working class no longer see the Labour Party as its natural home.I was the start of Labour’s move to being electable.
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To my mind there is no route back to office currently without dramatic agreements with opposition parties to stand down in order to make it a 1 v 1 fight against a tory. I can't see anything changing soon because the tories are terrible; untrustworthy; incompetent; but still they're not under any threat of losing popularity, and the majority of the media continue to support them. Labour doesn't look like it can ever recover in Scotland - which was formerly a crucial powerbase.It was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. The party became a centre right party akin to the American Democrats in that it was comfortable with capitalist excess. A Labour Party that put the owners of capital before the workers is no Labour Party and the party wonders why the Working class no longer see the Labour Party as its natural home.
So, should Labour bite the bullet and seek formal agreements/mergers with Lib Dems and Greens?
In short, yes. I don’t see any other route to power. A deal with the SNP would be too complicated and Labour have no hope of winning back those Scottish seats it previously needed to win elections. They simply need to operate on an “anyone but to the Tories” ticket, but I’ve little confidence they will.So, should Labour bite the bullet and seek formal agreements/mergers with Lib Dems and Greens?
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Your worst day in power is better than your best day in opposition.It was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. The party became a centre right party akin to the American Democrats in that it was comfortable with capitalist excess. A Labour Party that put the owners of capital before the workers is no Labour Party and the party wonders why the Working class no longer see the Labour Party as its natural home.
So full employment wasn't good for the working class?It was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. The party became a centre right party akin to the American Democrats in that it was comfortable with capitalist excess. A Labour Party that put the owners of capital before the workers is no Labour Party and the party wonders why the Working class no longer see the Labour Party as its natural home.
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The minimum wage must have been a bummer too.So full employment wasn't good for the working class?
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"Stronger Together" is the Starmer version of Build back better.
Ironic as he's purging anyone left of him from the party.
The cull would be front page news had another leader done it.
Ironic as he's purging anyone left of him from the party.
The cull would be front page news had another leader done it.
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Constant drip drip drip of negative stories and outright lies from some of the more popular media outlets is what has done for Labour. Same culprits that led to Brexit.It was the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. The party became a centre right party akin to the American Democrats in that it was comfortable with capitalist excess. A Labour Party that put the owners of capital before the workers is no Labour Party and the party wonders why the Working class no longer see the Labour Party as its natural home.
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"Stronger Together" is the Starmer version of Build back better.
Ironic as he's purging anyone left of him from the party.
The cull would be front page news had another leader done it.
I'm sure I am not the first person to say it, but I find it quite strange that Kier Starmer became the automatic first choice when he had only been an MP for five years.
Talented and experienced in politics (of a different kind) and decision making during his career as a barrister and DPP. But having not been a politician for very long, does he have the right political instincts to make the best decisions for the Labour Party?
Is he a bit of a plonker as his middle name suggests? :)
And Likely to rely too heavily on the advice of people like David Evans.
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Are these the same outlets that drip drip dripped positive stories between 95-2007 that saw Labour smash the Tories? What has done for Labour is having two clowns in Ed Milliband and Jeremy fucking corbyn lead the party. Utterly unelectable the pair of them but hey, they were the “members” choice, so who can possibly argue? (The Tories won’t be that’s for sure).Constant drip drip drip of negative stories and outright lies from some of the more popular media outlets is what has done for Labour. Same culprits that led to Brexit.
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Miliband was the union’s choice. The members chose his brother. In retrospect Ed would have been ok. Can’t say the same for Corbyn even though he couldn’t possibly be worse than Johnson.Are these the same outlets that drip drip dripped positive stories between 95-2007 that saw Labour smash the Tories? What has done for Labour is having two clowns in Ed Milliband and Jeremy fucking corbyn lead the party. Utterly unelectable the pair of them but hey, they were the “members” choice, so who can possibly argue? (The Tories won’t be that’s for sure).
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Oh well, at least he didn't decide to let Jimmy Savile off the hook when he was in charge of the cpsI'm sure I am not the first person to say it, but I find it quite strange that Kier Starmer became the automatic first choice when he had only been an MP for five years.
Talented and experienced in politics (of a different kind) and decision making during his career as a barrister and DPP. But having not been a politician for very long, does he have the right political instincts to make the best decisions for the Labour Party?
Is he a bit of a plonker as his middle name suggests? :)
And Likely to rely too heavily on the advice of people like David Evans.
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Ed was the unions’ choice, ergo, he was never electable. Corbyn only ever wanted to promote the injustices of the underpaid bean growers of Guatemala.Miliband was the union’s choice. The members chose his brother. In retrospect Ed would have been ok. Can’t say the same for Corbyn even though he couldn’t possibly be worse than Johnson.
Most of the members chose his brother. 45% chose Ed, and so did most union members.Miliband was the union’s choice. The members chose his brother. In retrospect Ed would have been ok. Can’t say the same for Corbyn even though he couldn’t possibly be worse than Johnson.
I voted for Burnham but Ed was my second preference, having heard David Milliband at a campaign meeting, and realising he was to the right of Tony Blair. (I'm not decrying what Blair did - things did only get better, till Iraq.)
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Most union members didn’t vote. The union bloc vote was based on a relatively small turnout from union members which was fairly standard for union votes. If I remember correctly this meant that each individual union vote effectively counted the same as about 10 member votes in terms of influencing the overall outcome.Most of the members chose his brother. 45% chose Ed, and so did most union members.
I voted for Burnham but Ed was my second preference, having heard David Milliband at a campaign meeting, and realising he was to the right of Tony Blair. (I'm not decrying what Blair did - things did only get better, till Iraq.)
Edit: Remembered it wrong. Although I was right about union members mostly not voting (9% turnout), the ones that did outnumbered members votes and were individually counted.
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See the post on media manipulation.Ed was the unions’ choice, ergo, he was never electable. Corbyn only ever wanted to promote the injustices of the underpaid bean growers of Guatemala.
Its you in a nutshell.
The Murdoch media backed Blair, why? Because Blair was no threat to Capitalist excess, he was actually comfortable with millionaires, he accepted the Thatcherite reforms and as Thatcher said herself, he was her greatest achievement.
Foot was a threat so they did him up like a kipper with the donkey jacket story.
We have a media that is heavily skewed to the right of the population and they convince you the likes of Ed is unelectable because of the Unions and Corbyn is unelectable because of bean growers and you bought it.
This is despite poll after poll proving some of the Labour manifesto was very popular, it is popular because we are not a right wing country, we are a Socially conservative country that is comfortable with the ideals of Socialism that have been introduced in the country. The nation loves the welfare state, it loves the NHS, but it has allowed through media manipulation these great institutions to be debased, run down, poorly funded. A Conservative government could not get away with saying it would privatise the NHS , so it does it by stealth with the help of its media friends who produce anti NHS stories, the country would be aghast at the dismantling of the Welfare state, but its being done on the sly with the help of media manipulation, characterised by stories of people having 24 ft wide TV sets and there being a mountain of welfare scroungers.
See, you concentrate on bean growers whilst the Tories dismantle the institutions of the state, you deride its defenders as unelectable, but when they are gone who is going to fight your corner?
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Full employment is great for the working class, but when was the last time it was even close to being achieved.So full employment wasn't good for the working class?