It's literally the only "argument" any Brexiteer ( or Dunning Kruger-boosted sympathiser) who dare peep out the woodwork has ever come up with since day one. The classic "ad absurdum": "I thought you said the sky was going to fall in", when literally nobody ever said that apart from braindead Brexiteers themselves.So your whole debate is based on the fact it could be worse and we should be counting our lucky stars?
Telling posters to calm down whilst repeatedly flouncing off the thread and accusing everyone of being bullies, whilst everyone else calmly usurps your infantile points one by one takes a special kind of lack of self-awareness.The effects of Brexit are only just starting. Give it time.
Nobody is saying the economy will be destroyed.
Just for your reference, you come across as annoyingly supercilious, telling posters to calm down will only make people want to tell you to fuck off. Not that I would do such a thing of course.
I’ve noticed nobody wants to comment on their predictions about the economy.
I don’t understand why everyone is so angry.The effects of Brexit are only just starting. Give it time.
Nobody is saying the economy will be destroyed.
Just for your reference, you come across as annoyingly supercilious, telling posters to calm down will only make people want to tell you to fuck off. Not that I would do such a thing of course.
When you’re ready for a constructive chat over abuse, let me know.Telling posters to calm down whilst repeatedly flouncing off the thread and accusing everyone of being bullies, whilst everyone else calmly usurps your infantile points one by one takes a special kind of lack of self-awareness.
I’ve never claimed there isn’t a negative impact, in fact I’ve said there is.So we already know things will get worse after enhanced checking at customs starts in October. Just two minutes research of the current views from business leaders finds this:
UK business leaders, when asked by The Herald last week whether they believed Brexit is damaging the economy, gave an emphatic response, with 75% saying “yes”.
The Food and Drink Federation, publishing the figures, noted the much-weaker picture for exports to the EU, it added overall sales of UK food and drink are down £2bn compared to pre-Covid levels, because of a sharp drop in sales to the EU. A combination of the ongoing impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic, and new barriers to trade resulting from the new trading arrangements, have led to a fall in exports to the EU of more than a quarter since H1 2019. Exports to nearly all EU member states fell significantly, including a loss of more than £0.5bn in sales to Ireland, while sales to Germany, Spain and Italy are each down around a half since H1 2019.”
UK construction sector growth slowed sharply in August, amid “formidable” supply-chain pressures fuelled by Brexit and the coronavirus pandemic, as material and staff costs went “through the roof”, a key survey has shown this week.
Expansion slowed last month across housebuilding, commercial property construction and civil engineering, the three sub-sectors covered by the survey from the Chartered Institute of Procurement & Supply and IHS Markit.
It is no wonder that business leaders, many of whom will be facing grim challenges on so many fronts caused by the European single market exit while having to navigate the extremely difficult fall-out from the pandemic, gave an emphatic “yes” when asked if Brexit was damaging the UK economy.
Or this from the Fishing Industry:
LONDON, July 14 (Reuters) - Britain's fisheries have been sold out by the post-Brexit trade deal agreed with the European Union, the head of an industry body said on Wednesday, urging the government to do more for the sector when a so-called adjustment period ends in 2026.
Winning back "control" of Britain's fishing waters was one of the main drivers for Brexit, with the industry becoming the poster child for many supporters of the country's departure from the EU during the 2016 referendum and beyond.
But Barrie Deas, chief executive of The National Federation of Fishermen's Organisations, said the government's assurances and promises made before striking a trade deal with the bloc late last year had been broken.
"It's really quite hard to convey how sudden was the fishing industry's fall from grace," Deas told journalists.
"The flags flying over our vessels for the last couple of years had a slogan which was 'fishing no sell out' and that really spelt out our fears. Those flags now seem both politically astute and prescient because that's what's happened."
He said there had been changes to quotas for fish "but at the margins", that the deal with the EU had emboldened other states such as Norway, and producers of some live shellfish had experienced real difficulties in exporting to the bloc.
Or farming:
Fruit and vegetables are being left to rot in England as Brexit deters migrants from taking up picking jobs.
Farmers have told Euronews that restrictions to freedom of movement have had a "devastating" impact.
Brexit -- the effects of which kicked-in at the start of the year -- means hiring migrant pickers from eastern Europe is now much harder.
So you see. Its business and industry leaders that are reflecting significant damage from Brexit not just a few having a moan on BlueMoon.
Your problem is you’ve got everyone in a box and you’ve got yourself in a box too.It's literally the only "argument" any Brexiteer ( or Dunning Kruger-boosted sympathiser) who dare peep out the woodwork has ever come up with since day one. The classic "ad absurdum": "I thought you said the sky was going to fall in", when literally nobody ever said that apart from braindead Brexiteers themselves.
I think with the scots its a more fundamental question than Brexit. 'Do we want to be an independent nation, free to make our own mistakes or do we want to continue having our affairs governed by a bunch of crooked, lying Tory bastards that haven't won an election in Scotland since the 50's'.You’re not allowed to talk about what was said or should have been said in 2016, the gang on here don’t like it as it’s irrelevant apparently. Our mate from Didsbury will be along soon to police you.
But anyway, I’ll answer your question, the point of Brexit should really be if you’re happy to concede an economic hit and issues with trade for more powers being returned from Brussels to the UK and to leave the political union . That’s the fundamental question around Brexit.
I don’t think it was worth it, personally.
The Scots will have a similar question to answer soon, do they want all the power to be in Scotland for a hit to their economy and trade with England.
I just hope it’s phrased as that this time.
I think with the scots its a more fundamental question than Brexit. 'Do we want to be an independent nation, free to make our own mistakes or do we want to continue having our affairs governed by a bunch of crooked, lying Tory bastards that haven't won an election in Scotland since the 50's'.
Not sure that what will appear on the next referendum paper but it certainly should.
And yes, there will undoubtedly be an economic impact in the short to medium term if Scotland gains independence but that will be more than worth it.
Indeed, and long term there’s little reason why an independent Scotland as an EU member wouldn’t prosper.I think with the scots its a more fundamental question than Brexit. 'Do we want to be an independent nation, free to make our own mistakes or do we want to continue having our affairs governed by a bunch of crooked, lying Tory bastards that haven't won an election in Scotland since the 50's'.
Not sure that what will appear on the next referendum paper but it certainly should.
And yes, there will undoubtedly be an economic impact in the short to medium term if Scotland gains independence but that will be more than worth it.
Mate, I'd rather take a shit in my hands and clap than have a "constructive" chat with a WUM like you. I'm enjoying watching you get the piss taken out of you to be honest.When you’re ready for a constructive chat over abuse, let me know.
I am still waiting for you to tell me why I’m wrong.
I’ve never claimed there isn’t a negative impact, in fact I’ve said there is.
It’s the level of how bad it is I’m disputing and fishing, as an example, whilst sad for fisherman, is an insignificant part of the economy.
Less than isn’t it 1/1000 of the economy?
We’ve covered this mate.But the whole premise of Brexit is everything was going to be much better once we escape from the cloak of the evil EU. Example after example of how its much worse and now its - "well not as bad as it could have been ". So you really heard Brexit leaders telling you to vote Leave because things will be bed but not as bad as claimed and you thought that was a good thing? If you knew what you were voting for what did you think you were voting for?
It’s bad was always going to be bad but Brexit never needed to be as bad as it is, that’s down to being implemented by twats. The fact that it could have been even worse is neither here nor there really nor any comfort to anyone.We’ve covered this mate.
Brexit leaders talked shit.
I voted remain in 2016.
I never claimed Brexit has been a good thing, not once on this thread.
The reason I’m getting shit on this page is because I’ve disagreed at how bad Brexit is, it’s bad but not that we’re absolutely fucked as some people say.
Indeed, and long term there’s little reason why an independent Scotland as an EU member wouldn’t prosper.
It’s tragic that it’s come to this because of the little England mentality of too many people south of the border, where many of those people are happy to sacrifice a 300 year old union so that we can take back sovereignty that we’d never actually given away, and control immigration in a manner that we always could have done if we wanted.
See above for a perfect example of that attitude.
Yeah didn’t think there was much substance behind the abuse, there never is when someone plays the man over the ball.Mate, I'd rather take a shit in my hands and clap than have a "constructive" chat with a WUM like you. I'm enjoying watching you get the piss taken out of you to be honest.
You're not really sad for fishermen, are you?I’ve never claimed there isn’t a negative impact, in fact I’ve said there is.
It’s the level of how bad it is I’m disputing and fishing, as an example, whilst sad for fisherman, is an insignificant part of the economy.
Less than isn’t it 1/1000 of the economy?
You're not really sad for fishermen, are you?
You have hee haw understanding of the economic impact of brexit and even less understanding of the impact of Scottish independence so forgive me for not taking your projections too seriously.It will be a far more significant economic and trading impact than Brexit, will likely require a border on the island of Great Britain and will draw up political hostilities not seen on this island for centuries.
But… if you think it’s worth the power transfer away from what you hate in Westminster, good luck to you.
And independent England might even be better for us too, with Wales likely coming along.
I’ve read some shit in my time but this takes the biscuit.Indeed, and long term there’s little reason why an independent Scotland as an EU member wouldn’t prosper.
It’s tragic that it’s come to this because of the little England mentality of too many people south of the border, where many of those people are happy to sacrifice a 300 year old union so that we can take back sovereignty that we’d never actually given away, and control immigration in a manner that we always could have done if we wanted.
See above for a perfect example of that attitude.