Political relations between UK-EU

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Saddleworth2 said:
You have hee haw understanding of the economic impact of brexit and even less understanding of the impact of Scottish independence so forgive me for not taking your projections too seriously.

Yes, an independent England is just what you need mate.
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Any chance we can actually have a chat in good faith?

I don’t see why we can’t get along. You seem more reasonable than the Didsbury lads.
 
Octavian said:
I’ve never claimed there isn’t a negative impact, in fact I’ve said there is.

It’s the level of how bad it is I’m disputing and fishing, as an example, whilst sad for fisherman, is an insignificant part of the economy.

Less than isn’t it 1/1000 of the economy?
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and all the other industries I quoted not forgetting the financial services and London as the Premier financial centre for Europe. (Sorry was the premier financial centre).
 
Octavian said:
Full of rude tossers on this page isn’t it.

I originally made the point that the Brexit argument should have been to sacrifice trade and the economy for more power transferred back from Brussels to London, that would have been the honest argument.

your weird mates jumped on that as a pro Brexit argument when it wasn’t.

You then claimed that us having to align with Brussels to trade with them is still us taking rules from there Parliament, I just said no it isn’t.

You see how conversations work when someone shifts the goalposts?
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Going back to the "tossers" post....

"...sacrifice trade and the economy for more power transferred back from Brussels to London, that would have been the honest argument"

It might not have been what the Leave liars said, but how on earth is that not "a pro-Brexit argument"?

I'd say an own goal, not moving the goalposts.
 
Octavian said:
I’ve read some shit in my time but this takes the biscuit.

How long does it take to join the EU? how are Scotland going to meet the requirements? What will happen to UK based companies when Scotland leaves the UK? What will happen to NatWest for example?

65% of Scottish trade is with the rest of the UK, only 43% of the UK’s was with the EU.

You cannot make the same arguments against Brexit and then say Scottish independence will be fine.

That’s not a little Englander attitude, it’s common sense.
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You’ve obviously not read your own posts if you think my post takes the biscuit.

This isn’t the Scottish Independence thread so if you want to have that discussion fuck off there. There’ll be no shortage of people who will put you straight.

There is no reason that an independent Scotland would not prosper as an EU member in the long term. I repeat long term.

There’s every reason why UK prosperity will be negatively impacted by Brexit in whatever timescale you want.
 
west didsblue said:
You’ve obviously not read your own posts if you think my post takes the biscuit.

This isn’t the Scottish Independence thread so if you want to have that discussion fuck off there. There’ll be no shortage of people who will put you straight.

There is no reason that an independent Scotland would not prosper as an EU member in the long term. I repeat long term.

There’s every reason why UK prosperity will be negatively impacted by Brexit in whatever timescale you want.
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Didn’t answer a single point but you’re right, it’s not the Scottish independence thread, even if Scottish Independence is connected to Brexit in a big way.

I can’t see how you can say one is a bad move and not the other but there you go, that’s you.
 
Octavian said:
Didn’t answer a single point but you’re right, it’s not the Scottish independence thread, even if Scottish Independence is connected to Brexit in a big way.

I can’t see how you can say one is a bad move and not the other but there you go, that’s you.
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I have just twigged who you really are. You are mancity1 from the Covid thread. How’s Melbourne??
 
Fred_Quimby said:
I have just twigged who you really are. You are mancity1 from the Covid thread. How’s Melbourne??
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Haha I love this attention around the guess who… but alas, I’ve never been to Aus, and I’m genuinely new, read the main forum for a while and recently retired so got bored.

mancity1 must be a great fella.
 
Octavian said:
Familiar where?

You don’t know if I do or don’t.
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You don't know whether I know or don't know. I don't care whether you care about farming and fishing but you seem to think Brexit is shit but only mildly shit but for farmers and fishers and businesses gone bust it's 100% shit, and I really don't detect any hint of care or sadness.

Why exactly are you here?
 
Vic said:
You don't know whether I know or don't know. I don't care whether you care about farming and fishing but you seem to think Brexit is shit but only mildly shit but for farmers and fishers and businesses gone bust it's 100% shit, and I really don't detect any hint of care or sadness.

Why exactly are you here?
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I get that.

But it must be discussed as a general nationwide topic.

My view is it’s a bit shit, that describes it perfectly. I only made one post saying this and got seized upon by 5/6 posters who were abusive, I’ve stayed just to defend my position and not allow the bullies to win.

I wouldn’t be here still if my post was ignored.
 
Octavian said:
Didn’t answer a single point but you’re right, it’s not the Scottish independence thread, even if Scottish Independence is connected to Brexit in a big way.

I can’t see how you can say one is a bad move and not the other but there you go, that’s you.
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It’s really not difficult

Even if U.K. Scotland trade became as problematic as U.K. EU trade (which is unlikely) it would have single market access as an EU member to a market of 500 million people to replace the possible downturn in trade with the U.K.

The U.K. has single market access to nowhere just a series of trade deals with places miles away that have absolutely no chance of replacing EU trade as is already being proven.

There’s no doubt Scotland would have to make major changes to its economic model but as an independent country they could do that. There’s no reason why they should be any less successful than any other comparatively sized country in the EU. One of the main arguments used in their referendum was that if they voted to stay in the U.K. they would remain in the EU. That is no longer the case and it’s very likely that the EU would be sympathetic to Scottish accession.
 
west didsblue said:
It’s really not difficult

Even if U.K. Scotland trade became as problematic as U.K. EU trade (which is unlikely) it would have single market access as an EU member to a market of 500 million people to replace the possible downturn in trade with the U.K.

The U.K. has single market access to nowhere just a series of trade deals with places miles away that have absolutely no chance of replacing EU trade as is already being proven.

There’s no doubt Scotland would have to make major changes to its economic model but as an independent country they could do that. There’s no reason why they should be any less successful than any other comparatively sized country in the EU. One of the main arguments used in their referendum was that if they voted to stay in the U.K. they would remain in the EU. That is no longer the case and it’s very likely that the EU would be sympathetic to Scottish accession.
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That’s if they are allowed to join the EU, once they’ve waited several years to join, if their businesses don’t pull out in the meantime and operate just in England, NatWest probably will. England gives them a favourable grace period to allow them to join the EU. They manage to offload all their debt to London and they somehow figure out how to fund their Nhs and military.

It’s pie in the sky stuff but I’m happy to give them the vote.
 
Octavian said:
Any chance we can actually have a chat in good faith?

I don’t see why we can’t get along. You seem more reasonable than the Didsbury lads.
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Of course we can if you do three things mate:

1) go and do some proper research on the subject matter you want to chat about
2) post based on a knowledge of the subject matter. Be clear on your opinions and back them up as far as possible with fact or logical argument
3) don't be calling folk bullies and tossers when they challenge you for not doing 1 and 2.

Do that and you will find that its not only me that are happy to chat to you about Brexit.
 
Octavian said:
That’s if they are allowed to join the EU, once they’ve waited several years to join, if their businesses don’t pull out in the meantime and operate just in England, NatWest probably will. England gives them a favourable grace period to allow them to join the EU. They manage to offload all their debt to London and they somehow figure out how to fund their Nhs and military.

It’s pie in the sky stuff but I’m happy to give them the vote.
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Octavian said:
I’ve read some shit in my time but this takes the biscuit.

How long does it take to join the EU? how are Scotland going to meet the requirements? What will happen to UK based companies when Scotland leaves the UK? What will happen to NatWest for example?

65% of Scottish trade is with the rest of the UK, only 43% of the UK’s was with the EU.

You cannot make the same arguments against Brexit and then say Scottish independence will be fine.

That’s not a little Englander attitude, it’s common sense.
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You see this is why you wont get a reasonable chat with anyone.
You are beginning to sound extremely like my old chum @Banjani
These two posts could have been written by him
He was very keen to quote NatWest as the showstopper based on personal knowledge :-)
 
Another oddity - turns out taking back control of our borders actually meant sub contracting it to the French and paying them to do it

www.thesun.co.uk

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