Political relations between UK-EU

[Metal Biker]

That's good, I'm not knocking it I'm trying it understand it. I know it's very different to the EU but is there a process to follow to join and are there commitments we have to make to be part of the club. I have no doubt that we will join unless someone can point out to me how it will be difficult.

I'm still not convinced that increasing trade with the rest of the world at the possible expense of trade with our nearest neighbours is the best things for the planet and I'd need convincing that it is a better deal for us economically as well.

The EU is planning to do the exact same thing.

It's still in the process of trying to tie up trade deals with Australia and New Zealand. Somehow I don't think the planet is on their minds either, nor has anyone criticised the EU for making such deals with Japan, Canada, Aus and NZ, yet as soon as the UK does it...

Climate change is an issue for all nations, 'blocs' and continents, and we're all going to have to work together on revolutionising how we transport trade from one area of the globe to another with 0% emissions, because trading with the farest reaches of the globe regularly and not just your neighbours IS the future of trading.

Us working together with the CPTPP members to reduce those emissions can only be a good thing, as the EU's track record on this isn't the best. Even the Euro Green parties are in constant argument over the issue.

 

[mcfc1632]

Just a thought, but maybe because we're not in the EU and we're being supplied from UK AstraZenica production facilities that are frankly F All to do with the EU.

Indeed that needs to be considered

But the issue here for days is that there are a lot of muddled people commenting without experience

Such clauses are widely used in the circumstances where:

The classic use of best or reasonable endeavours terminology is where 1 party requires an important commitment from the other but that other party only has partial or limited control on meeting the commitment. In this situation, the compromise is that the committing party agrees to use best or reasonable endeavours to fulfil the obligation.

There were some on here a few days ago scoffing at people with experience suggesting that such a clause would be in the contract - without actually seeing the contract. For experienced people that was not really necessary - and of course it was proven to be correct

That the EU then kicked off in a manner that meant that they had not understood the purpose/scope of the clauses is really amateurish - where were their legal advisors?

 

[BobKowalski]

Fascinating stuff on Theresa May and Davis from Hammond.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

And it could get even better - and with more delicious irony.

Fast forward a few years and the EU could be the junior party seeking to secure a FTA with a larger bloc - that includes the UK

I will not get ahead of myself, I am just delighted to be free of the EU project

Almost all of the Remainer argument for years has been about the impact on trading - without any recognition that the Remain vote would have been a landslide if the EU ideologues had been content with the EU being a trading bloc.

It is a fantastic blend of hypocrisy, irony and denial - really quite amusing to observe

And even in that not unrealistic scenario, some would still argue against it forever decrying the effectiveness of Great British democracy.

The arguments were made - exhaustively - for 40+ years and when finally given a true voice the British people shouted loud and proud "thanks for finally asking us, we'll leave now if that's alright with you".

And leave we have.

 

[BobKowalski]

Continued...

 

[Kazzydeyna]

That's good, I'm not knocking it I'm trying it understand it. I know it's very different to the EU but is there a process to follow to join and are there commitments we have to make to be part of the club. I have no doubt that we will join unless someone can point out to me how it will be difficult.

I'm still not convinced that increasing trade with the rest of the world at the possible expense of trade with our nearest neighbours is the best things for the planet and I'd need convincing that it is a better deal for us economically as well.

If we stayed in the EU and they did a trade deal with Australia, China et Al, would you have wanted the UK govt to veto the deal on account of its impact on the climate.?

Or are you a hypocrite?

 

[BobKowalski]

It was working in the way it was intended but it’s main growth opportunities centre around increasing the EU membership - and it’s taken a real hit in that regard. Trade was predicted to pretty stagnant within the EU unlike the RoW (at least pre-covid and pre-brexit). The EMs you so easily dismiss are actually the key growth areas of the global economy and the EU is a dinosaur when it comes to trade negotiations - took nearly 20 years to do the one with the Mercosur bloc for crying out loud.

Lets give brexit time before we call it on the body, we are where we are, just got to get on with it now. None of us can change it until at least the next election anyway.

I’m curious thou, at the time of the brexit referendum there was TTIPs lurking in the shadows... what did you think about that?

A country does not have to leave the EU nor the Single Market to trade aggressively or successfully with non EU countries. A country can do both and plenty of EU countries do so. There is no economic argument or rationale for what we have done. It is a political decision.

TTIP was dead in 2015, too much internal resistance on both sides. Personally I was a little sketchy on it. Not a huge fan of US asks in trade talks.

 

[BobKowalski]

Right EU - what are you going to give the CPTPP nations for free access to our market? Lol

They already have trade deals with most CPTPP nations. The point about CPTPP is to foster regional economic integration and cooperation. Other countries can join, but it will have marginal economic upside.

The UK joining is more political than economic.

 

[stonerblue]

Sorry - thought the answer was obvious in my reply - but to be more explicit:

You ask: does this mean you're happy with price rises for all of us?

Well:

1. Nobody is ever going to be happy with price rises that could most certainly have been either avoided or greatly reduced

I'll take that as a 'no'

2. Unlike some though I am very much recognising where the responsibility for the level of price rises rests and that is with May and Hammond as they prevented the required planning for happening during 2016-2019 that would have advanced readiness and identified the actions and policies required to mitigate issues

Not sure how they could've got rid of import duty in a deal?

3. But - in the round I am delighted that the UK is free of EU hegemony and I am confident that the damage that a Remainer led government caused for the UK will be relatively short lived and more than worth it - so yes - I am happy

do you think a future tory government will cut the vat?

It's fine if you can ride out the storm and afford higher prices when buying stuff. Not so good if you're making every penny count. My stock for work comes from Italy mainly so price rises for my punters are inevitable.

Does that help?

Yes, much clearer.

 

[journolud]

If we stayed in the EU and they did a trade deal with Australia, China et Al, would you have wanted the UK govt to veto the deal on account of its impact on the climate.?

Or are you a hypocrite?

No and no.

Im well aware we already get apples and wine from New Zealand and more or less everything else from China