Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

Spanishbob said:
Got faster trains here in spain. It’s a disgrace.
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Got a high speed train from Malaga to Seville when we played there. It was cheap and very fast. Fantastic compared to the services we have in the UK. Spain used to be terrible for transport but now its cities are years ahead of the UK with integrated and very cheap systems.
 
Manchester33 said:
I think the Met could work really well if we had a fully integrated public transport pricing structure (that Andy Burnham has been promising for years). If you could buy one cheap ticket and any form of public transport within one day buses and trams would be far busier.

If I solely relied on public transport for City I could either get a bus to the met stop (paying for both separately and journey takes over an hour for around 7/8 miles) or I can get a bus to a train station into picc then either walk or get the met... that would cost over £12 easily. I might as well get an uber!
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The trams aren't proper trams, they are adapted to use existing BR station platforms. Go to Europe and see how a proper tram looks and how much better they run their sytems.

I have to use Metrolink to get to the Etihad because I choose not to drive and the buses take a lifetime to get you there. However I constantly moan about the service because it is not fit for purpose and no allowance is made on match days for the increase in passenger numbers.

I wrote to our esteemed Mayor (prat) about this and received a load of bullshit and waffle for a response, so he obviously doesn't give a fuck. I also think the Club are less than interested and are more concerned with corporates than the old style fan, shame on them if that is the case.
 
Gray said:
The trams aren't proper trams, they are adapted to use existing BR station platforms. Go to Europe and see how a proper tram looks and how much better they run their sytems.

I have to use Metrolink to get to the Etihad because I choose not to drive and the buses take a lifetime to get you there. However I constantly moan about the service because it is not fit for purpose and no allowance is made on match days for the increase in passenger numbers.

I wrote to our esteemed Mayor (prat) about this and received a load of bullshit and waffle for a response, so he obviously doesn't give a fuck. I also think the Club are less than interested and are more concerned with corporates than the old style fan, shame on them if that is the case.
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I think the Met is alright. It’s no London Underground, but it’s expanded a lot since the three Bury/Altrincham/Eccles lines of old and it’s pretty damn reliable.

The major ballache is that every line is anchored in town. Bury to Rochdale should be 3 stops, not 28 stops over 2 lines for 70 minutes, per the Metrolink app. Inter-connectivity between lines is a shambles.
 
The difference in Europe is the perception of public transport and how commercial transport is so much more financially viable.
In general they see the role of public transport primarily as a cheap affordable and reliable way of getting people to work.
Our governance doesn't.
You can put a container on rail stock in Moscow and it will not leave that rail stock until it gets to The Port of Rotterdam.
 
AlanBalls said:
I think the Met is alright. It’s no London Underground, but it’s expanded a lot since the three Bury/Altrincham/Eccles lines of old and it’s pretty damn reliable.

The major ballache is that every line is anchored in town. Bury to Rochdale should be 3 stops, not 28 stops over 2 lines for 70 minutes, per the Metrolink app. Inter-connectivity between lines is a shambles.
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Agree its not as bad as people make out, if you can actually use it.
 
Gray said:
The trams aren't proper trams, they are adapted to use existing BR station platforms. Go to Europe and see how a proper tram looks and how much better they run their sytems.

I have to use Metrolink to get to the Etihad because I choose not to drive and the buses take a lifetime to get you there. However I constantly moan about the service because it is not fit for purpose and no allowance is made on match days for the increase in passenger numbers.

I wrote to our esteemed Mayor (prat) about this and received a load of bullshit and waffle for a response, so he obviously doesn't give a fuck. I also think the Club are less than interested and are more concerned with corporates than the old style fan, shame on them if that is the case.
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Burnham's first job when elected as Mayor was to charge pensioners £10 every year to use the trams and trains when using their FREE PASS. Cheaper transport my arse!
 
Seeing as we’re slightly off topic, re high speed rail, and the Governments broken promises announced today, everything you need to know about what the broken promises mean to Manchester. Apparently Manchester has come out of it pretty well. Scroll down the page to read the views of the SSC-MCR Transport forum members views of today’s Government announcements.

www.skyscrapercity.com

High Speed Rail (HS2) Updates

Right, given it appears that TIF is about to come to a crashing end, along with any reasonable prospect of delivering a good local public transport for Manchester and region, I think I may shift my focus onto badgering DfT for HSR2 to be built up from London, to Heathrow and then to Brum and...
www.skyscrapercity.com www.skyscrapercity.com
 
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Manchester33 said:
I think the Met could work really well if we had a fully integrated public transport pricing structure (that Andy Burnham has been promising for years). If you could buy one cheap ticket and any form of public transport within one day buses and trams would be far busier.

If I solely relied on public transport for City I could either get a bus to the met stop (paying for both separately and journey takes over an hour for around 7/8 miles) or I can get a bus to a train station into picc then either walk or get the met... that would cost over £12 easily. I might as well get an uber!
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This is what I tell my son when he goes to town. Get an Uber. Two people on the Met is more expensive than an Uber. It's nonsense. We are probably paying for all the fare dodging!
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
The fastest Japanese passenger train (Maglef) travels at 268 mph. They are testing a new train at present that has reached 357mph. The average speed for trains on the Manchester to Leeds route is around 30mph. That is how far we are behind advanced nations. It is a national scandal.
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Mate, mate, mate, Japan is a shit hole, that's why they travel so fast, whereas, Collyhurst is a place of natural beauty......

Do I have to explain everyfink!!
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
The fastest Japanese passenger train (Maglef) travels at 268 mph. They are testing a new train at present that has reached 357mph. The average speed for trains on the Manchester to Leeds route is around 30mph. That is how far we are behind advanced nations. It is a national scandal.
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China Similar.

www.reuters.com

China unveils 600 kph maglev train - state media

China unveiled a maglev train capable of a top speed of 600 kph on Tuesday, state media said.
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Having been all over China with work their infrastructure just doesnt compare. Even their “standard” inter city trains are on another level!!
 
If you want cheap public transport it has to be subsidised by taxation.

The Metrolink has no - that is zero - revenue subsidy which is why it is so dear. Your ticket pays for all costs and some of the cost of extra trams/future expansion.

The problem with this country is that everyone wants high-quality public services and low taxes. This is an impossible circle to square, although lying politicians have tried to persuade people for the last 40 years that it can all be achieved by 'efficiency'. Sorry, but even the most efficient chef can't produce fillet steak for the price of a McDonald's shitburger.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
The fastest Japanese passenger train (Maglef) travels at 268 mph. They are testing a new train at present that has reached 357mph. The average speed for trains on the Manchester to Leeds route is around 30mph. That is how far we are behind advanced nations. It is a national scandal.
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In 20 years the rest of the world will be building hyperloops doing 700mph and we will be debating if its worth the cost to make trains go 120mph.
 
jrb said:
Seeing as we’re slightly off topic, re high speed rail, and the Governments brokwn promises announced today, everything you need to know about what the broken promises mean to Manchester. Apparently Manchester has come out of it pretty well. Scroll down the page to read the views of the SSC-MCR Transport forum members views of today’s Government announcements.

www.skyscrapercity.com

High Speed Rail (HS2) Updates

Right, given it appears that TIF is about to come to a crashing end, along with any reasonable prospect of delivering a good local public transport for Manchester and region, I think I may shift my focus onto badgering DfT for HSR2 to be built up from London, to Heathrow and then to Brum and...
www.skyscrapercity.com www.skyscrapercity.com
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Loved that post which showed that Manchester to Liverpool was in the train timetable as a 40-minute journey in 1914!
 
BrianW said:
If you want cheap public transport it has to be subsidised by taxation.

The Metrolink has no - that is zero - revenue subsidy which is why it is so dear. Your ticket pays for all costs and some of the cost of extra trams/future expansion.

The problem with this country is that everyone wants high-quality public services and low taxes. This is an impossible circle to square, although lying politicians have tried to persuade people for the last 40 years that it can all be achieved by 'efficiency'. Sorry, but even the most efficient chef can't produce fillet steak for the price of a McDonald's shitburger.
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No problem with this at all as long as it is open and transparent on your tax bill. Perhaps we should ringfence some of the huge amount taken in fuel duty for public transport. While we are at it we should ringfence money from a sugar tax to improve our health services.
 
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