Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Blue and still suffering said:
Don't most of the people who say that usually post it on Facebook from their phone.
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A bit like Eric Clapton who was happy to inject himself with heroin bought from illegal dealers for a large chunk of his life but is apparently unhappy to take a vaccine.
 
Cases in England delayed until an estimated 6 pm. So no Gov UK update until then.

But England hospital patients did rise today - first time on a Tuesday in a month that this number has not fallen on Tuesday. Though the rise is only by 29 to 6123. Last week it fell by 167.The total is still down week to week but only by a steadily reducing number. Biggest patient rises were in the Midlands and Yorkshire. North West came out of it fairly well.
 
Gabriel said:
If you read the FT which reported Bancel’s comments made yesterday, you’ll see that one study had already suggested that Moderna’s vaccine had already shown a drop in effectiveness against Delta, so his predicting a further drop in effectiveness against a subsequent variant is hardly surprising.

For a country such as Greece, every pensioner vaccinated saves a substantial amount of money.
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I suppose a CEO of a vaccine company, selling their shots for £27 a go would be likely to say they’d need to sort a new one out and vaccinate everyone all over again……
 
Healdplace said:
Cases in England delayed until an estimated 6 pm. So no Gov UK update until then.

But England hospital patients did rise today - first time on a Tuesday in a month that this number has not fallen on Tuesday. Though the rise is only by 29 to 6123. Last week it fell by 167.The total is still down week to week but only by a steadily reducing number. Biggest patient rises were in the Midlands and Yorkshire. North West came out of it fairly well.
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Those numbers will likely rise from now on as it’s getting harder and harder to get patients out, especially if they’re going back to a care home with lots of workforce issues.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
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Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated – Full Fact

The vaccines are not perfect, and the vast majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated, so the small proportion who get seriously ill still amount to a lot of people.
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Thank you. It is interesting to learn that even though the proportion of unvaccinated people is lower than I'd expected, it does make sense - in that the the ratio of vaccinated people to unvaccinated people is around 88%-12%. Therefore you are less likely to be unwell enough to be admitted into hospital if you have been vaccinated.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I suppose a CEO of a vaccine company, selling their shots for £27 a go would be likely to say they’d need to sort a new one out and vaccinate everyone all over again……
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Alternatively, When there are lots of other alternative vaccines people ( governments at least ) could choose from it makes no business sense to say "my product isn't as good as others" unless there is really good reason.
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Thank you. It is interesting to learn that even though the proportion of unvaccinated people is lower than I'd expected, it does make sense - in that the the ratio of vaccinated people to unvaccinated people is around 88%-12%. Therefore you are less likely to be unwell enough to be admitted into hospital if you have been vaccinated.
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Exactly. It's actually even more extreme than that because admissions are concentrated in higher age groups where vaccination rates are well into the 90% and higher.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Those numbers will likely rise from now on as it’s getting harder and harder to get patients out, especially if they’re going back to a care home with lots of workforce issues.
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Good point sadly.

One of my family died after having to stay in hospital because she could not be discharged home without a care package which was impossible to create until too late. That was this time last year. It will nor be much different.
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Okay, if you need it simplified.... how many people in hospital (a figure currently produced daily) that test positive had not received their vaccination? To satisfy your point about why they were admitted, te reason for admittance could be deemed irrelevant though you could show a subset of people admitted for Covid reasons and non-covid reasons,
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Again though even if someone is admitted for COVID reasons then it isn't really relevant if they're vaccinated. For example a person requiring o2 or ventilation requires that treatment. It doesn't really matter if they're vaccinated or not because they won't suddenly get better because they're vaccinated so they don't need that info. Generally they won't even know the reason for admission because they'll treat first and putting that down to COVID takes time.

I know what you're saying but in a hospital doctors aren't there to collect data for the NHS. I think the statistics type people or regulatory vaccine monitors go out and ask these questions but they don't have the resources to do it in every hospital on a daily basis.

This is perhaps why we look to other data like excess deaths and trends in hospitalisations. If deaths are higher than usual (vs pre-2020) then something must be impacting that which at the moment can only surely be COVID.
 
Every year I have my flu jab. Every year it's a different vaccine because the flu changes. I've never moaned about it because its just what I have to do to keep myself safe. This is the same thing and it's here to stay. At least it's free and you don't have to pay for it lol
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Google reveals:

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Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated – Full Fact

The vaccines are not perfect, and the vast majority of vulnerable people have been vaccinated, so the small proportion who get seriously ill still amount to a lot of people.
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Maybe I've missed this but the question really here though is does this show how many people are ill because of COVID and whether they are vaccinated or not? Context is so important here.

I think trusts are supposed to publish their best judgements on how many are in hospital truly because of COVID but I really doubt that's been done in the context of vaccinated or not too.

Basically, to my knowledge these figures as it stands would include a COVID positive vaccinated guy who came in with a broken leg which is obviously not useful.
 
Healdplace said:
Let us all pray that early hint is firmed up over coming days and weeks as it would turn a potential big setback into not only not such thing but even a pretty good thing long term going forward into 2022 if Omicron dominates the world.
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Amen. Israel has reported a number of new Omicron cases today, including a couple of cardiologists (one in 50s and one in 70s), but they are triple jabbed with Pfizer.
 
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