Coronavirus (2021) thread

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It will, it isn’t going away. No doubt it will come up in this news conference.
Ok, you post the front page it’s on tomorrow and not completely overshadowed by this. They know it won’t disappear over night but it’s still helped them change the headlines(hopefully only briefly).
Here we go with all the anti-vax mob kicking off. If everyone had been vaccinated, and everyone wore masks in certain indoor settings, we wouldn’t have needed these restrictions.
So irritating and will lead to certain industries missing their much needed busy period of the year!
Yes that’s why France making people have vaccine passports to enter nightclubs worked so well. Clubbing industry in France is now back to normal.

Oh, actually they’re all shut again. Wait until people start getting headaches from this new variant that has killed nobody in South Africa.
 
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Here we go with all the anti-vax mob kicking off. If everyone had been vaccinated, and everyone wore masks in certain indoor settings, we wouldn’t have needed these restrictions.
So irritating and will lead to certain industries missing their much needed busy period of the year!

Like clockwork as predicted earlier in the thread.
 
Has anyone on here had the same problem with the NHS app as me when trying to get their COVID pass?

The pass has expired - no problem with that - but when I progress with a new request and I’m asked to verify my mobile number, I’m then taken to the ‘Manage your NHS login’ (a dead end)

Sorry if this has been covered before, but it’s doing my nut now.
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...continues-report-mild-disease-omicron-surges/

Missed out the most important bits of info. Just proves how anyone can use stats to try and make their point.
That has to be tempered, however, and this comes from within the same source:

‘However, the healthcare provider stressed that these were only preliminary results from three weeks of data and that the situation could change. Typically, it takes about five to six weeks from the start of infections for severe cases to present.

Moreover, the company’s 49 private hospitals generally see middle and upper class South African patients, which skews the statistics as worse cases could be going underreported in the country’s vast impoverished townships.’

It’s still just too early to determine which way this is going to go, and the South African situation is proving predictably unpredictable. We’re surely all praying that Omicron does indeed prove milder and that it accelerates the pandemic’s end, but it would be remiss of governments not to be prudent now just in case.
 
I don't think the vast majority who are against more restrictions are calling scientists liars at all. I've got no doubt they completely believe everything they are saying and giving an honest appraisal of the situation based on their expertise. These people are obviously extremely educated and at the top of their disciplines and their epidemiological views are quite blatantly worth considering.

However, their views are patently going to revolve around solely what is best for the epdidemiologic situation and they have no remit, brief or requirement to consider the whole host of other variables that these restrictions impact on (economic, social, societal, educational etc etc). It's like if you asked someone whose only interest and role was to prevent people being run over by cars - they could quite legitimately suggest banning all cars....

There are a number of people who are fixated by covid to the point of tunnel vision and only see things through that prism. It has always been obvious new variants would appear on a regular basis and so to lockdown and have restrictions every year is not a realistic strategy. I am a big advocate of the jabs and they MUST be our way out but like the annual flu jab, this is not going away and we can't hide away every year.

Most people will get their jabs, happily have their boosters and consider that to be a fair mitigation and do a cost-benefit analysis vs a disease which isn't the deadly plague many seem to think it is. If you turned the TV off no one would even know about at all this panic.

Vaccines will always be chasing the tails of new variants and so there has to be an exit strategy. Zero covid is gone so it can only be jabs and carry on with life imo.
Very well said
 
If the vaccines worked as promised we wouldn't.

They do work. They are not forcefields that form around your body. They equip you to deal with the virus. Have you not noticed the difference in the ratio of positive cases and deaths? The lower number of hospitalisations?

Panadol and ibuprofen don't always get rid of headaches. Would you stop taking them if they worked, let's say, only most of the time?
 
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I don't think the vast majority who are against more restrictions are calling scientists liars at all. I've got no doubt they completely believe everything they are saying and giving an honest appraisal of the situation based on their expertise. These people are obviously extremely educated and at the top of their disciplines and their epidemiological views are quite blatantly worth considering.

However, their views are patently going to revolve around solely what is best for the epdidemiologic situation and they have no remit, brief or requirement to consider the whole host of other variables that these restrictions impact on (economic, social, societal, educational etc etc). It's like if you asked someone whose only interest and role was to prevent people being run over by cars - they could quite legitimately suggest banning all cars....

There are a number of people who are fixated by covid to the point of tunnel vision and only see things through that prism. It has always been obvious new variants would appear on a regular basis and so to lockdown and have restrictions every year is not a realistic strategy. I am a big advocate of the jabs and they MUST be our way out but like the annual flu jab, this is not going away and we can't hide away every year.

Most people will get their jabs, happily have their boosters and consider that to be a fair mitigation and do a cost-benefit analysis vs a disease which isn't the deadly plague many seem to think it is. If you turned the TV off no one would even know about at all this panic.

Vaccines will always be chasing the tails of new variants and so there has to be an exit strategy. Zero covid is gone so it can only be jabs and carry on with life imo.

Mirrors my opinion as well.
 
Here we go with all the anti-vax mob kicking off. If everyone had been vaccinated, and everyone wore masks in certain indoor settings, we wouldn’t have needed these restrictions.
So irritating and will lead to certain industries missing their much needed busy period of the year!

Just to add, maybe more people would have had operations to treat heart issues and cancer if it wasn't for those irresponsible anti vaxxers spreading misinformation. Vile people.
 
They do work. They are not forcefields that form around your body. They equip you to deal with the virus. Have you not noticed the difference in the ratio of positive cases and deaths? The lower number of hospitalisations?

Panadol and ibuprofen don't always get rid of headaches. Would you stop taking them if they worked, let's say, were only effective most of the time?
no, but I wouldn't demand the rest of the country face restrictions just because I feel ill. I'd stay at home till I felt better.
 
I don’t think this will make any difference at all whilst kids are still at school. People are ignoring the mask rule from 2 weeks ago. Hardly anyone in my local Tesco is wearing one when I go in.
 
That’s what it is doesn’t really cut the mustard when it comes to showing what caused a death does it?

Imagine if all post mortom had an attitude of being equally vague? Would it be acceptable?

Have people had their lives tragically cut short by the virus? Absolutely and we should know the numbers.

Have people died with other co morbidities that more than likely had a greater influence in their deaths than a positive test for covid did? I’ve no doubt and for the majority, their age would have also been a huge factor as none of us will live forever.

I’ve no issue with numbers but we need context and accuracy as the current numbers of deaths from covid in the UK I honestly don’t believe.

sorry but no. These are the official ways to count a covid death. These are the figures.

your argument can be applied to anything. Someone gets hit by a bus, loses a load of blood and has a heart attack and dies. What killed them? A heart attack? Blood loss or a bus?
 
I don't think the vast majority who are against more restrictions are calling scientists liars at all. I've got no doubt they completely believe everything they are saying and giving an honest appraisal of the situation based on their expertise. These people are obviously extremely educated and at the top of their disciplines and their epidemiological views are quite blatantly worth considering.

However, their views are patently going to revolve around solely what is best for the epdidemiologic situation and they have no remit, brief or requirement to consider the whole host of other variables that these restrictions impact on (economic, social, societal, educational etc etc). It's like if you asked someone whose only interest and role was to prevent people being run over by cars - they could quite legitimately suggest banning all cars....

There are a number of people who are fixated by covid to the point of tunnel vision and only see things through that prism. It has always been obvious new variants would appear on a regular basis and so to lockdown and have restrictions every year is not a realistic strategy. I am a big advocate of the jabs and they MUST be our way out but like the annual flu jab, this is not going away and we can't hide away every year.

Most people will get their jabs, happily have their boosters and consider that to be a fair mitigation and do a cost-benefit analysis vs a disease which isn't the deadly plague many seem to think it is. If you turned the TV off no one would even know about at all this panic.

Vaccines will always be chasing the tails of new variants and so there has to be an exit strategy. Zero covid is gone so it can only be jabs and carry on with life imo.
One other fact that doesn't help the situation is that the last time I checked the Cabinet has very few members with a scientific background. They mostly lack the basic knowledge - and in some cases, the intellectual capacity - to effectively discuss the issues with the scientists.
 
Just to add, maybe more people would have had operations to treat heart issues and cancer if it wasn't for those irresponsible anti vaxxers spreading misinformation. Vile people.

I simply do not get or accept this, sorry and I’ve had both jags and my booster and will continue to get them.

The vaccine does not stop you catching the virus nor passing it on so how does someone not having the jag be responsible for someone of heart issues or cancer?

Would you accept me saying people have died of heart issues, cancer and other treatable diseases because for 2 years our health services have been virtually closed down because of our response to covid? Lack of GP appointments, cancelled hospital appointments, cancelled surgeries?

The vast majority of the population has taken the vaccine and are now taking the booster and to suggest otherwise is rubbish imo. We will look back at cancer death rates in years to come and think what the fuck did we do as those numbers really will be scary and no amount of trying to blame it on someone who didn’t want the vaccine will make your opinion right. It will be because of nearly 2 years of restrictions and lockdowns at fault.
 
Having a 3rd dose next week. I'm classed as high risk.

Was there any new guidance for vulnerable people @kaz7 ? Did you watch the press conference Hun ?
 
sorry but no. These are the official ways to count a covid death. These are the figures.

your argument can be applied to anything. Someone gets hit by a bus, loses a load of blood and has a heart attack and dies. What killed them? A heart attack? Blood loss or a bus?

The issue we have right now is your scenario tested positive in the last 28 days and they go down as a covid death which is patently nonsense.
 
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