F1 Season 2021

hilts said:
It's got nothing to do with Lewis not winning its the fact as a sporting event nobbling the guy who is clearly going to win either with or without the safety car is farcical. It got nothing to do with Max.Masi had a decision to make in a short time and instead of following the rules he decided to make it more exciting off his own back.
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I've already been saying exactly that. The FIA have gone through their own rulebook, determined that "any does not mean all", that Masi was correct in pulling in the SC when he did and gave everyone one exciting lap of racing in their season closer.

I'm sharing what the FIA have stated. They aren't my own thoughts or opinions. I'm just curious to know if people are upset about rules being broken or that someone benefitted from a situation and another didn't. I'm stating the position that the FIA have taken so people know what it is.
 
Mercedes need to get this man on the phone



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OB1 said:
I've been saying at home that the only way this gets changed is at CAS.
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I said earlier, Mercedes should accept the result and take the FIA to CAS, they'll win, no consolation for Hamilton, but it should produce a new governing body, rules that can't be "adapted", and better racing all round.
 
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Mëtal Bikër said:
I've already been saying exactly that. The FIA have gone through their own rulebook, determined that "any does not mean all", that Masi was correct in pulling in the SC when he did and gave everyone one exciting lap of racing in their season closer.

I'm sharing what the FIA have stated. They aren't my own thoughts or opinions. I'm just curious to know if people are upset about rules being broken or that someone benefitted from a situation and another didn't. I'm stating the position that the FIA have taken so people know what it is.
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Whatever is said it wasn't a decision made with sporting integrity.
 
01cravend said:
Mercedes need to get this man on the phone



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“I believe, quite comfortably, if the process is going to be judged on facts then unquestionably we will prevail,” he said. “If it’s not about facts and it’s about other things, then it is a different conversation.
“But I strongly hope that these regulatory bodies will ultimately make the decision based on facts.
“Now having said that, just going back on this wave that we are dealing with, I think, listen, I’ll be philosophical about this, the reality is we have dealt with this before with UEFA. This is not the first time we have dealt with it.
“We are going through the appropriate steps and we’re confident in our position, very comfortable in our position. I’m not concerned about that because facts will prevail.”

Swap UEFA for FIA.
 
OB1 said:
I think it is a competence issue but it has resulted in a horribly contrived result that made a mockery of the first 50 odd laps of that race.

Justice has not been served in any way shape or from.

If Max had been the faster driver on the day, I'd have been a bit disappointed that Lewis was not champion again but it would have been fair enough. Today Hamilton was smashing it.

I have seen some injustices in sport but I think this one tops anything that has gone before.
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Spot on...

You could argue that Mercedes had got the tactics spot on, they built a stragegy that had worked, MV had the tyre advantage for a while but by the time the shit went down his advantage had waned and LH was keeping him pretty much at arms length even on his old tyres.

The sport has lost all credibility.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
I've already been saying exactly that. The FIA have gone through their own rulebook, determined that "any does not mean all", that Masi was correct in pulling in the SC when he did and gave everyone one exciting lap of racing in their season closer.

I'm sharing what the FIA have stated. They aren't my own thoughts or opinions. I'm just curious to know if people are upset about rules being broken or that someone benefitted from a situation and another didn't. I'm stating the position that the FIA have taken so people know what it is.
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I think most are upset that that they have invested time following a sport and then in the last minute they have been robbed because it isn't a sport at all.

If Max had won fairly then some posters would be upset like we were against Chelsea however they would accept the result.

I'm not an avid fan this was my second race and I think it's laughable. I have no view on either driver but Hamilton is a brit so if he won fair and square sorted but it wasn't particularly important. If I had invested a season on it I would be fuming.
 
If Bottas was a good teammate, (which he isn't) he would have spun his car off the track on lap 56 leaving no option but to finish the race under a safety car.
 
cookster said:
Whatever is said it wasn't a decision made with sporting integrity.
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It's the FIA, what did anyone expect? They've got their champion, the season is over, they promote his face on all F1 branded products and move onto the next season.
 
meltonblue said:
On Hamilton, the time it would have taken to get all the lapped cars in front and then a subsequent lap before the safety car left would have had an impact on their decision whether to pit or not. They thought it was either the lapped cars would be between Hamilton and Verstappen or all would have passed, either of which would have led to a Hamilton win.
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Exactly!

They said as much on the radio when Hamilton asked whether he should have come in for tires!

They made a strategic decision based on the rules!

They also knew that WHICHEVER WAY the Race Director chose (let lapped cars get ahead OR not) Hamilton was in the cat bird seat after 57 laps!

So, the Race Director simply CHOSE to only let the lapped cars between them go ahead of the safety car, because it was the ONLY WAY HE COULD GET A MANO A MANO LAST LAP “RACE” even though he must have known it was not going to be a “race” at all, given the respective strategies!

What it created was 2-3 clear opportunities for Max to overtake Lewis. Had Lewis been predisposed, he could have made it almost impossible to pass him without them crashing into each other, but he chose the sporting option, even as he knew it was going to cost him the Championship after leading the race from Lap 1 to Lap 58!
 
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The blue phantom said:
Off course it means all. I can't believe anyone is even fuckin defending it
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"any cars lapped by the leader will be required "

"Any person found on the train without a ticket will be required to leave the train at the next station."
Inspector "Can I see your ticket?"
Me " Any does not mean all".
Inspector "As you were then".
 
Baggins.mcfc said:
If Bottas was a good teammate, (which he isn't) he would have spun his car off the track on lap 56 leaving no option but to finish the race under a safety car.
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Was a situation like that a few years back with Nelson Piquet Jnr crashing purposely to bring a safety car out. Renault got hammered for it at the time.
 
waspish said:
It is over.
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i think its are far from over and Mercedes still got time to take them to court
F1 is now dead and many fans will stop watching it because of what happened today

its nothing to do with fans of lewis and max winning. its about taking and changing the rules in a instant and giving it to one persons hands. he clearly was giving a big advantage to red bull and max in a one lap shoot out that was not on a level playing field that Mercedes could not control or change
 
hilts said:
I think most are upset that that they have invested time following a sport and then in the last minute they have been robbed because it isn't a sport at all.

If Max had won fairly then some posters would be upset like we were against Chelsea however they would accept the result.

I'm not an avid fan this was my second race and I think it's laughable. I have no view on either driver but Hamilton is a brit so if he won fair and square sorted but it wasn't particularly important. If I had invested a season on it I would be fuming.
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I've been a fan since 1992, seen it happen many times, watched old races where the same shit goes down. This is the most blatently obvious example of rule bending to get the situation they wanted, because until then the race was looking like a cut and shut result.

Had Latifi not crashed and no safety car deployed, they'd be no chaos right now. Masi saw an opportunity to set up an "epic" final lap race-to-the-finish style ending and they got it. I doubt who won was on their mind, they just wanted to avoid a damp squip ending of finishing on yellow flags. I suppose Masi thought that was what was best for business.

I'm more pissed off that in the final third of the season McLaren have just collapsed.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
I've been a fan since 1992, seen it happen many times, watched old races where the same shit goes down. This is the most blatently obvious example of rule bending to get the situation they wanted, because until then the race was looking like a cut and shut result.

Had Latifi not crashed and no safety car deployed, they'd be no chaos right now. Masi saw an opportunity to set up an "epic" final lap race-to-the-finish style ending and they got it. I doubt who won was on their mind, they just wanted to avoid a damp squip ending of finishing on yellow flags. I suppose Masi thought that was what was best for business.

I'm more pissed off that in the final third of the season McLaren have just collapsed.
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I honestly don't know why people watch it. I got sucked in cause it was close but won't bother again. They will have lost more viewers than gained for next season.
 
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