F1 Season 2021

Phil1 said:
I think your reaction to the shambles of yesterday says a lot about you as a person.
It’s fair to say those dismissing the sheer lack of integrity involved in reaching the result they did and celebrating a victory as hollow and undeserved as it was are not the type you’d want to spend too much time with or trust as far as you could throw.
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A bit harsh
 
I find it odd in F1 that once the safety car is out (and the race essentially stopped) they include those laps. If the safety car is deployed why don’t they stop the lap count and resume once the safety car leaves?

It would have been equally farcical that Hamilton cruises to a victory with a safety car out.
 
bugsyblue said:
I find it odd in F1 that once the safety car is out (and the race essentially stopped) they include those laps. If the safety car is deployed why don’t they stop the lap count and resume once the safety car leaves?

It would have been equally farcical that Hamilton cruises to a victory with a safety car out.
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I might be wrong but I think it's about the fuel, cars would start to run out, especially if there have been a few SCs in the race.
 
bugsyblue said:
I find it odd in F1 that once the safety car is out (and the race essentially stopped) they include those laps. If the safety car is deployed why don’t they stop the lap count and resume once the safety car leaves?

It would have been equally farcical that Hamilton cruises to a victory with a safety car out.
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I mean it's a different debate but finishing under the safety car is at least in the rules.

You have to bare in mind that there are no re-fuels in race, the cars maybe have a couple of laps of fuel extra. So extra laps would see most of them not finishing the race.

The only option would be to red flag it and restart. If they wanted the Championship to end in a race they should have done this, it would have been fairer as everyone could then pit. Hamilton would have been hard done by but on fresh tyres he could have at least defended his position.
 
svennis pennis said:
It was a gamble, there is a radio message from Lewis saying exactly that under the virtual safety car. That was the point to switch tyres if they were ever going to do so. Toto is on the radio to Masi telling him not to make it a full safety car, they knew it was a risk. If they had switched they would then have been in control of tyre strategy, Red Bull would have kept Max out in a slower car with knackered tyres. The sport can come down to those fine margins. We've seen Lewis brilliantly switch tyres and race back through the field to win races before.

What we saw at the end of the race was unprecedented, im not denying that, but there was a point in the race where Mercedes took a calculated risk not to switch tyres in order to maintain track position.
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Its all a calculated risk to a point based on the rules of racing, The trouble is when the race director starts making up new rules as he feels like, all those calculations go out of the window.
 
Thorin Oakenshield said:
A bit harsh
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It’s true. You’re willing to celebrate something completely wrong. A fix, an unfair and wholly wrong outcome because the man you wanted to win benefitted.
It’s highly likely you take those traits into other areas of your life and they aren’t the traits I personally like to be surrounded by.
That’s not directed at you by the way, just those who have no problem with how it went down. Unless you’re someone who does fall into that box of course, then, we’ll you know..
 
bugsyblue said:
It would have been equally farcical that Hamilton cruises to a victory with a safety car out.
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It wouldn't have made for a great spectacle but no way would it have been equally as farcical as what actually transpired, especially as Hamilton would have cruised to victory anyway had Latifi not crashed.
 
bugsyblue said:
I find it odd in F1 that once the safety car is out (and the race essentially stopped) they include those laps. If the safety car is deployed why don’t they stop the lap count and resume once the safety car leaves?

It would have been equally farcical that Hamilton cruises to a victory with a safety car out.
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Not really "equally farcical" because Hamilton had earned his place at the front & would have won the race if it had finished under the safety car as has happened before, it only becomes farcical when the race director starts making up new rules because he wants a exciting finish.
 
MCFC1993 said:
I mean what's the point in this mate?

He was the most gracious person in the sport yesterday.

Certainly a lot more gracious than I would have been and a lot better than you're behaving.
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Never really been a big fan of Hamilton but yesterday he really did show his class as a person & a racing driver, amazing composure given the situation.
 
Maybe they don’t have a safety car when there is a crash but ecru car go backs to the pits and we have a restart even if you have 1 lap left now if that was the rule it’s would of been very exciting and not one person would be moaning about the outcome.
 
bugsyblue said:
I don’t quite understand the fallout here.

Red Bull’s strategy was to pit, expecting/hoping at some stage the safety car would be brought out or that Hamilton was forced to pit later on in the race and they could make back the time. If they hadn’t have pitted twice Hamilton wouldn’t have had such a lead.

Mercedes strategy was not to pit, to keep the lead and push on, taking the risk that Hamilton wouldn’t need to pit nor that the race would be restarted.

One strategy came good.
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Well you are right, you certainly have not understood the reason for the fallout in the slightest. I mean they have only been mentioned in this thread probably 500 times and you still got it badly wrong, fair play.
 
waspish said:
Maybe they don’t have a safety car when there is a crash but ecru car go backs to the pits and we have a restart even if you have 1 lap left now if that was the rule it’s would of been very exciting and not one person would be moaning about the outcome.
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Thats basically what would have happened if the RD had Red Flagged.

Still a bit harsh wiping out th lead but at least LH would have had achance to be in a car that was ready to do a sprint race.

Personally I think F1 needs to have a look at a btter way of neutralising a race while dealing with a safety issue. Maybe something like what happens in cycling where basically everyone gets told to hold position.
 
The thing that’s irritating me is seeing all the commentators referring to Verstappen as a “deserved champion”.

Him having a great season doesn’t justify the farce of the ending yesterday, rules can’t just be amended on the fly and the consequences fobbed off because it’s perceived as “deserved”.
 
J.G.Blue. said:
Not really "equally farcical" because Hamilton had earned his place at the front & would have won the race if it had finished under the safety car as has happened before, it only becomes farcical when the race director starts making up new rules because he wants a exciting finish.
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Strikes me this whole debacle is a sobering illustration of what can happen to a sport when the rights holders/broadcasters become too/all powerful.
 
Both Verstappen & Hamilton have had brilliant seasons and yesterday was simply wrong.
However, it wasn't MV's fault or RB's.
It all goes down to Masi......and lest we not forget the farciacal Belgian GP where he ran for 2 laps under a safety car that got max his extra points and "win" that gave him that little edge going into yesterdays race.
Again, not MV/RB's fault, all down to Masi!

Hamilton certainly went up in my estimations yesterday but i still think Horner is a a cock.
 
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