Coronavirus (2021) thread

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SilverFox2 said:
I think you are right because surely any built up resistance would not have occurred in SA since most unvaccinated yet still mild effects.
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Apparently blood tests showed that around 75% had exposure to the virus which is largely through infection so they still had significant levels of immunity.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
As you say, very odd.
Why are the rest of the world patronising South African scientists and clinicians?
They’re amongst the best in the world. South Africa has done more genetic sequencing than almost any other country, their treatment is excellent and yet the ‘west’ won’t believe a word they say. I keep being told that science is about ‘learning from the evidence’ and yet we are just ignoring this. Is it because they’re foreign in general or African in particular, I wonder?
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No, it’s because money can’t be made out of listening to them and accepting it’s no where near as bad as they’d like.
We just have to accept that some serious money is to be made for a lot of individuals during this ‘pandemic’ and they’re not going to let it go easily.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
As you say, very odd.
Why are the rest of the world patronising South African scientists and clinicians?
They’re amongst the best in the world. South Africa has done more genetic sequencing than almost any other country, their treatment is excellent and yet the ‘west’ won’t believe a word they say. I keep being told that science is about ‘learning from the evidence’ and yet we are just ignoring this. Is it because they’re foreign in general or African in particular, I wonder?
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While there experts may well be right about what is happening there, there demographic is there demographic, average age of of 27 vs 40+ for UK for example, Average life expectancy is far lower too so the people being killed by Covid just are not alive in the numbers over there that they are here. Our demographic is far older but far higher vaccination rates.

Add into that there is certainly something very off with South Aftrica's tracking to allow such a large gap between known deaths and excess deaths. Officially 90k covid deaths yet 275k excess deaths. there are clearly a large number of people falling through the gaps in tracking.
 
Citizen of Legoland said:
No he didn't. He praised them and explained that their observations being reported may not transfer like for like to our conditions. Different age demographics, we're entering our cold/flu season they should be leaving theirs, the fact that their vaccination push was closer to their outbreak than ours, hence our booster acceleration by the way.

That's what I heard anyway and it makes sense to exercise caution until we get reliable data.
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When he started talking about their high levels of immunity, I did start to wonder if he regrets not opening in June like originally planned.
 
ell said:
Just read online that Israel is about to approve a 4th dose. Not sure if true or reliable so won't post any links
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Id heard similar the other day, We have already approved 4th Jabs for immunocompromised and the highly vulnerable too.
 
ell said:
Just read online that Israel is about to approve a 4th dose. Not sure if true or reliable so won't post any links
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I expect part of the reason for rushing the boosters now to younger ages is that a fourth dose for the over 80s here will be required for top up for the second half of the winter. By late January the oldest will be 3 or 4 months post the booster and they might think 2 Pfizer doses to those who mainly had two AZ last Winter/early Spring might be needed whilst still in Winter. Possibly depends how fast the Omicron wave burns out. At current rates that may be by the end of January or it could slow once Delta is eradicated in the UK. As right now it is effectively just rapidly becoming the only virus in town.Once it shortly is then things may slow.
 
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It’s obvious that we will have the vaccine at least every 6 months! This is flu but ten times worse where the elderly and the vulnerable have the flu jab yearly. Covid ain’t going anywhere the best we can hope for in the future is it will be like flu where it be the elderly and vulnerable have to take it and the rest take a Covid tablet.
 
inchy14 said:
Yes because it’s just a conspiracy theory that people high up in government have made money out of this pandemic…….
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People in government may have made money from the pandemic which is wrong. Doesn't mean the same as policy on the pandemic being driven to make money .Two very different things, because plenty in government are resisting pandemic policy because it costs them money.
 
blueparrot said:
People in government may have made money from the pandemic which is wrong. Doesn't mean the same as policy on the pandemic being driven to make money .Two very different things, because plenty in government are resisting pandemic policy because it costs them money.
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Maybe, my point still stands that some serious money is being made by individuals regarding vaccines, PPE, and other aspects like stock markets etc.
 
johnnymarrsbarres said:
Has anyone managed to get hold of any lateral flow tests?

We're going to the in-laws on Tuesday for Christmas and we've all agreed to do tests etc, especially as there will be a couple of grannies there.

NHS ordering page has been down for about 4 days and our local chemist hasn't had any either, bit of a piss take.
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Just order PCR to do the day before and head out when you get the all clear?
 
Anyone know what levels of infections are mainland Europe

Germany, France etc

Is it has bad, or have they got a hold of the infections rate
 
inbetween said:
I really doubt that symptom severity has changed too much across any of the variants.

Omicron is not a milder variant, the reason that it seems milder is because of our immunity. There is more to immunity than what the jabs bring (antibodies). Antibodies give short term protection but there is also longer term immunity from T-cells which aren't fully understood.

Short term immunity is there to provide immediate protection from an infection and vaccine success is only ever measured by whether an infection is prevented or not. Long term immunity however provides long term protection from severe disease and no-one knows for how long, perhaps forever.

The most likely scenario is we've now got a variant which is no different severity wise but it evades past generated antibodies and so we'll see more infections. However, long term immunity stops us from getting seriously ill and so we get the illusion that the variant is milder.

This is perhaps why every virologist will say that viruses tend to get less virulent and less severe, because our bodies learn to deal with COVID and COVID itself will never mutate to the degree required to evade that or it will become completely dysfunctional as a virus.
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I’m sure Angelique Coetzee said the virus was mild even in unvaccinated people, 5 or 80 years old, did I mishear or not interpret that correctly?
 
uweblue said:
Anyone know what levels of infections are mainland Europe

Germany, France etc

Is it has bad, or have they got a hold of the infections rate
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Over here (Czech Republic) cases have been dropping quite a lot over the last 12 days. I think we got up to about 28,000 cases 2 weeks ago and are now around 12,000.
 
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