Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Piers Corbyn from a few days ago - take the vaccines and you'll have AIDS by March - sadly this is serious otherwise his performance would be completely laughable

He needs locking up.

An MP has already been murdered this year at his surgery.

****.

 

[Octavian]

You. Don’t. Understand. What. Efficacy. Means. You. Pillock.

It means how good you are at doing something.

Boom.

£5 please.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Re test and trace -

Is it still a thing that call centre pricks ring you up or try and turn up on your doorstep at random times of the day to make sure you’re adhering to isolation ‘rules’?

Always stuck me as a massive job creation scheme straight from the 70s socialist recipe book rather than anything actually useful.

 

[Bluewonder]

Does that include the context where he implicitly states that they model to inform policy and not dictate it?

And when being suggested by Fraser that what he actually does is model worst case scenarios for the government so they can dictate policy his simple reply was

"No I don't"

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That isn't what he said "No I dont" to. He was replying to someone accusing him of making stuff up to create carnage.

 

[Octavian]

He needs locking up.

An MP has already been murdered this year at his surgery.

****.

I don’t fancy you, believe me, I know I only keep replying to you but… it’s important to say…

Calling for the burning of MP’s offices is inciting violence and is against the law.

He needs arresting and putting on trial.

 

[cleavers]

Whatever we think of this government - and I think it’s safe to say most of us on this thread aren’t particularly fond of them - I don’t think they’re anything remotely close to the type of government who would put us into lockdown for shits and giggles and to control us. That’s conspiracy theory territory IMO. If anything, I believe if these decisions were up to Johnson and him alone, he’d have never put us into a lockdown in the first place when Covid hit, and the bodies really would’ve piled up as a result.

That’s not to say we’re definitely not going into another lockdown but if we do it will be on the advice of others. We might not agree with that (and I don’t see much in the data so far to justify it but that could all change of course) and many of us will be pissed off but I’m not having it that it’s just about controlling us.

Correct, its pretty ridiculous. The whole point is about the NHS "coping", and its barely doing that now, not only because of cases, but because "cases" also affect the NHS, reducing the number of staff available.

People are the problem here, they don't want to catch covid, neither do the majority want to spread it either, but they also don't want to use simple common sense/responsibility either.

As an example, my wife has just changed jobs, thankfully (works In a dentist), her old crew are all out for a christmas party tonight, about 12 staff, and have gone out to an organised party, and will likely go clubbing after that. 5 of the better educattd staff (the dentists mainly) aren't even single jabbed, let alone double, or boosted, and 4 live in London where its clearly rife right now, 1 member of staff refused to go, and has been getting shit from the boss for not going.

They'll all complain if during the next 7 days they test positive and subsequently have to have a lonely christmas, and its that lack of personal responsibility (particularly from the boss of the business, who is one of the 5 unvaccinated) that is the real problem.

Its not just here, its across all societies in europe, yet some just blame "government".

 

[meltonblue]

Does that include the context where he implicitly states that they model to inform policy and not dictate it?

And when being suggested by Fraser that what he actually does is model worst case scenarios for the government so they can dictate policy his simple reply was

"No I don't"

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There’s an awful lot of idiots on Twitter. Think he got annoyed at Nelson asking really stupid questions (as he said, possibly deliberately) and then the real stupid people piled in.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I don’t want authoritarian rule - I want people to behave in a socially responsible manner.

I’ve asked the question about three times in here tonight and nobody has attempted an answer. But hey, let’s ask again because somebody might be able to answer.

Why do governments want to force more restrictions on their populations? Is there some conspiracy theory that I can’t see?
The most logical answer I have is that there is a real possibility, however small, that health services could be overwhelmed.

could, again. Could.

Lockdown in London, because you might get stabbed.

Ban on buying bread, because you might feed the pigeons.

Bring back shielding and everyone who wouldn't need hospitalisation get on with keeping the country afloat so the vulnerable and old still have some semblance of a health service funded, or in 2 years if we're on the Pomegranate variant it'll be privatised and they'll die anyway.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Fucking moron. How are these idiots so far down the rabbit hole?

I first became aware of him about 20 years ago. He was a Physicist and Astro-physicist who somehow convinced people he could predict weather - the world of insurance which is where I was set great store in him as did retail - then the likes of ASDA bought a shit ton of ice cream on the basis he predicted heatwaves and we had a summer washout and his BS claims were considered and found to be bollocks and retail dropped him.

I remember somebody in the Insurance world pointing out his "predictions" were shown to be flawed or just a rehash of already published scientific data.

Sadly like so many these days he is a snake oil salesman who gains the ear and the attention of gullible bellends to spread bullshit because this now makes these fuckers money these days - its disgraceful

 

[WNRH]

Correct, its pretty ridiculous. The whole point is about the NHS "coping", and its barely doing that now, not only because of cases, but because "cases" also affect the NHS, reducing the number of staff available.

People are the problem here, they don't want to catch covid, neither do the majority want to spread it either, but they also don't want to use simple common sense/responsibility either.

As an example, my wife has just changed jobs, thankfully (works In a dentist), her old crew are all out for a christmas party tonight, about 12 staff, and have gone out to an organised party, and will likely go clubbing after that. 5 of the better educattd staff (the dentists mainly) aren't even single jabbed, let alone double, or boosted, and 4 live in London where its clearly rife right now, 1 member of staff refused to go, and has been getting shit from the boss for not going.

They'll all complain if during the next 7 days they test positive and subsequently have to have a lonely christmas, and its that lack of personal responsibility (particularly from the boss of the business, who is one of the 5 unvaccinated) that is the real problem.

Its not just here, its across all societies in europe, yet some just blame "government".

They are morons pure and simple, complain about being forced to get jabbed then complain about being forced into lockdown then will no doubt complain about lack of care in an overwhelmed hospital when they have it.

Selfish thick pricks. I’ve got no empathy for any of them.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Correct, its pretty ridiculous. The whole point is about the NHS "coping", and its barely doing that now, not only because of cases, but because "cases" also affect the NHS, reducing the number of staff available.

People are the problem here, they don't want to catch covid, neither do the majority want to spread it either, but they also don't want to use simple common sense/responsibility either.

As an example, my wife has just changed jobs, thankfully (works In a dentist), her old crew are all out for a christmas party tonight, about 12 staff, and have gone out to an organised party, and will likely go clubbing after that. 5 of the better educattd staff (the dentists mainly) aren't even single jabbed, let alone double, or boosted, and 4 live in London where its clearly rife right now, 1 member of staff refused to go, and has been getting shit from the boss for not going.

They'll all complain if during the next 7 days they test positive and subsequently have to have a lonely christmas, and its that lack of personal responsibility (particularly from the boss of the business, who is one of the 5 unvaccinated) that is the real problem.

Its not just here, its across all societies in europe, yet some just blame "government".

No, the conundrum presented is if you want to keep old people and vulnerable people alive at all costs to everyone else, then you have to put in policies that are against people's basic human rights, and ruin the majority of people's lives to desperately keep your priority alive.

As a result, you knock a huge swathe of the population out of circulation with isolation for something the vast, vast majority sit at home maybe feeling a bit ropey but nothing more. So they're not in work in hospital treating people and thus our services are under even more pressure.

We're supposed to be learning to live with it. That unfortunately means an unpalatable truth, but it seems younger generations are to foot the bill as they're for some reason less valuable, less worthy of their freedoms and it doesn't matter if they lose jobs, commit suicide or die of other conditions, as long as certain demographics are "Protected" by hook or by crook.

 

[bluethrunthru]

could, again. Could.

Lockdown in London, because you might get stabbed.

Ban on buying bread, because you might feed the pigeons.

Bring back shielding and everyone who wouldn't need hospitalisation get on with keeping the country afloat so the vulnerable and old still have some semblance of a health service funded, or in 2 years if we're on the Pomegranate variant it'll be privatised and they'll die anyway.

oh no there is a knife in my ribs - I am a victim of the knifing virus which means knives just end up in people.

Not bought bread in 5 years because despite me not feeding pigeons there are pigeons all over my garden eating bread thats there coz of the bread virus.

I caught Covid and was asymptomatic and my Dad and two sisters caught it off me when we had Xmas dinner. My Dad is in ICU I feel like shit and one of my sisters gave it to her daughter,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

That’s a very mixed up post.

There is empirical evidence that there is a need for vaccines, the benefit is being seen in that at the last peak of infections before vaccines we were averaging 1,200+ deaths per day but now we are surpassing those cases yet are under 200 deaths a day, the need to have them every six months (not three) is because of the vaccine waning after that amount of time while the virus is still ravaging its way through the world’s population.

You don’t get vaccinated against viruses and bacteria every three months that weren’t particularly transmissible, killed most of the people it infected soonafter transmission it wasn’t spread much, and didn’t mutate much so it was easy to eradicate. And when a virus/bacteria has stopped being seen in a population that population is stopped from being vacccinated against it (for example, tuberculosis; when I was at school the whole country had the TB jab when we were about 12, but now only areas where there are cases are given that vaccine at birth).

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Covid is everywhere. Fucking everywhere!

There’s also nowhere near, NOWHERE NEAR, the risk of having a adverse vaccination reaction compared to actually transiting Covid… I must stress this again… NOWHERE BLOODY NEAR!

There are annual new vaccines against influenza, nobody has ever had a problem with that before. And SARS-CoV-2, being a Coronavirus, is fairly similar to an influenza various to a certain extent, as it’s highly transmissible, there’s a long incubation period so it’s spread easily and it mutates a lot which is why there’s a need for new vaccines every year…. but where Covid differs to influenzas is that it is more transmissible, and it’s more severe in its symptoms and how many it kills which is why more people need to be vaccinated that against flu.

In the Winter of 2017-18 there was serious talk around the world of having further restrictions - not just in hospitals - with the very bad flu season we had that Winter (there were restrictions to hospital visitors in a number of countries, zoned areas to treat flu away from other patients in a number of hospitals, with a number postponing and cancelling non-flu related appointments and operations… and there was talk of it needed to be taken further into society in some countries).

Nobody has ever promised there wouldn’t be anymore lockdowns. Nobody. That’s just made up in the minds of those who like to be controversial.

Have you ever seen or ever been bothered to ever look up any concrete evidence for the need for the vaccinations we give our children when they’re born or given when they’re in school? Have you ever researched that there may be something to worry about with the Rotavirus vaccine we all have as babies and that there may be new ways of administering it? No? Why?… for the simple fact that there’s been no big social media drive to push divisions about it, but there has with Covid and you’ve been drawn into thinking there might be a conspiracy or that there’s something to worry about.

nobody mandates a flu vaccine, I've never had one and I can do what I like. That's freedom.

Jab your way out of lockdown was literally the government mantra for the summer in their propaganda drive.

You break people's norm, they're going to fight back, rightly. There's no empirical need for a 3 month jab for the rest of our lives but that's what your wilfully setting a precedent for.

Covid is everywhere and as has been stated, Omicron isn't Ebola or we'd genuinely have a problem.

We have different perspectives. Some people want to be jabbed all the time, I don't, I did my bit in the summer and the counterparty hasn't kept their side of the bargain as far as I'm concerned, so I'm happy for others to take their chance with the booster and they'll either be proved right, in which case great, or they'll be lining up again, and history books will be written about what they created as a society.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

oh no there is a knife in my ribs - I am a victim of the knifing virus which means knives just end up in people.

Not bought bread in 5 years because despite me not feeding pigeons there are pigeons all over my garden eating bread thats there coz of the bread virus.

I caught Covid and was asymptomatic and my Dad and two sisters caught it off me when we had Xmas dinner. My Dad is in ICU I feel like shit and one of my sisters gave it to her daughter,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Someone else breathes on you, or stabs you, they've still acted upon you.

Don't let anyone out, because they might do activities or go to places you don't approve of, when you could just take responsibility instead of playing the victim and stay home.

If your dad's had his 3 jabs like you pontificate about he should be perfectly fine, because they work right? Or...Or...?

No answer. Just fear and self-doubt because you deep-down you don't trust your choice. If you did, you'd walk around with an impenetrable self-confidence and have everything open because your immune system and your whole, triple jabbed family, would be fine and dandy.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

we are not and have never been in lockdown

with that level of thought, it's a wonder you can advocate for say, boosters, and be taken seriously.

 

[cleavers]

No, the conundrum presented is if you want to keep old people and vulnerable people alive at all costs to everyone else, then you have to put in policies that are against people's basic human rights, and ruin the majority of people's lives to desperately keep your priority alive.

As a result, you knock a huge swathe of the population out of circulation with isolation for something the vast, vast majority sit at home maybe feeling a bit ropey but nothing more. So they're not in work in hospital treating people and thus our services are under even more pressure.

We're supposed to be learning to live with it. That unfortunately means an unpalatable truth, but it seems younger generations are to foot the bill as they're for some reason less valuable, less worthy of their freedoms and it doesn't matter if they lose jobs, commit suicide or die of other conditions, as long as certain demographics are "Protected" by hook or by crook.

Where does any of that reply refer to "personal responsibility" ?

I'm not calling for lockdowns or any of that shit, I'm as fed up with this as anyone else, but I'm looking after me and mine, and personal responsibility is at the forefront, it won't stop me catching it, because I'm also trying to do whatever I can for a "normal" life, but I still take as much care as I can.

Those at that party tonight, might not test positive this week, but might still be infected, and then take the infection to a loved one next weekend, as a result of the unvaccinated members of staff who live in a currently highly infected area, not to mention they may give it to others they are not connected to, who might spread it further as well.

 

[bluethrunthru]

He needs locking up.

An MP has already been murdered this year at his surgery.

****.

Two in just over a year.... what happens when some cunts follow him up and we have a mini Jan 6th here?

I despise my local Tory MP not only coz he is a Tory he has form on other subjects - I also drive past his office almost every day. Its well sign posted - he is seldom there but seeing the people who leave at the end of the day the work seems to be done by interns, chinless wonders and mums acting as secretaries. I want them out but I don't want to assault the office and burn them out -this is real life not a fucking Hammer House of Horror Frankenstein movie with torch bearing mobs bearing down on them. The ballot box is there for a reason. He does need locking up for incitement end of.

 

[SWP's back]

That’s a very mixed up post.

There is empirical evidence that there is a need for vaccines, the benefit is being seen in that at the last peak of infections before vaccines we were averaging 1,200+ deaths per day but now we are surpassing those cases yet are under 200 deaths a day, the need to have them every six months (not three) is because of the vaccine waning after that amount of time while the virus is still ravaging its way through the world’s population.

You don’t get vaccinated against viruses and bacteria every three months that weren’t particularly transmissible, killed most of the people it infected soonafter transmission it wasn’t spread much, and didn’t mutate much so it was easy to eradicate. And when a virus/bacteria has stopped being seen in a population that population is stopped from being vacccinated against it (for example, tuberculosis; when I was at school the whole country had the TB jab when we were about 12, but now only areas where there are cases are given that vaccine at birth).

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Covid is everywhere. Fucking everywhere!

There’s also nowhere near, NOWHERE NEAR, the risk of having a adverse vaccination reaction compared to actually transiting Covid… I must stress this again… NOWHERE BLOODY NEAR!

There are annual new vaccines against influenza, nobody has ever had a problem with that before. And SARS-CoV-2, being a Coronavirus, is fairly similar to an influenza various to a certain extent, as it’s highly transmissible, there’s a long incubation period so it’s spread easily and it mutates a lot which is why there’s a need for new vaccines every year…. but where Covid differs to influenzas is that it is more transmissible, and it’s more severe in its symptoms and how many it kills which is why more people need to be vaccinated that against flu.

In the Winter of 2017-18 there was serious talk around the world of having further restrictions - not just in hospitals - with the very bad flu season we had that Winter (there were restrictions to hospital visitors in a number of countries, zoned areas to treat flu away from other patients in a number of hospitals, with a number postponing and cancelling non-flu related appointments and operations… and there was talk of it needed to be taken further into society in some countries).

Nobody has ever promised there wouldn’t be anymore lockdowns. Nobody. That’s just made up in the minds of those who like to be controversial.

Have you ever seen or ever been bothered to ever look up any concrete evidence for the need for the vaccinations we give our children when they’re born or given when they’re in school? Have you ever researched that there may be something to worry about with the Rotavirus vaccine we all have as babies and that there may be new ways of administering it? No? Why?… for the simple fact that there’s been no big social media drive to push divisions about it, but there has with Covid and you’ve been drawn into thinking there might be a conspiracy or that there’s something to worry about.

Great post and needs a wider audience.

 

[bluethrunthru]

with that level of thought, it's a wonder you can advocate for say, boosters, and be taken seriously.

look what they did in places like Spain and Italy - if you think we experienced lockdown you are seriously deluded. Whilst we were told to wear a mask in a shop unless you could print off a £2 exemption lanyard from Amazon they were demanding papers on the street to show you were allowed out....

 

[cleavers]

I've avoided this thread for 3 months, and now I know why, so I'm off back to avoiding it.